If There was a Radical Setlist Change

[Saint&Sinner]

And take out the Pink Floyd bit in School's Out, cannot stand them.

i didnt mind it for a change but it is getting old now. I like it and surprised how well it works but i think he should stand on the quality of the song itself and schools out is one of the greatest singles of all time (eclipsed only by poison in my opinion)

[Marcelocooper]

And take out the Pink Floyd bit in School's Out, cannot stand them.

i didnt mind it for a change but it is getting old now. I like it and surprised how well it works but i think he should stand on the quality of the song itself and schools out is one of the greatest singles of all time (eclipsed only by poison in my opinion)

Totally agree, it's getting old now for us die hards. But for the casual fan, I gotta say at least here in Brazil it gets a very strong reaction. Maybe because he doesn't come south that often.

[steven_crayn]

Do a sort of reverse to what happened on the UK tour of 2017, the original guys play the first hour and are joined by the current band for the last half hour. 90 minutes of old and new keeps everyone happy.

[cooperrocks]

Do a sort of reverse to what happened on the UK tour of 2017, the original guys play the first hour and are joined by the current band for the last half hour. 90 minutes of old and new keeps everyone happy.

Respectfully, if you are going to do that there is no reason to use the current band for half an hour. It would make zero financial sense.

[steven_crayn]

Do a sort of reverse to what happened on the UK tour of 2017, the original guys play the first hour and are joined by the current band for the last half hour. 90 minutes of old and new keeps everyone happy.

Respectfully, if you are going to do that there is no reason to use the current band for half an hour. It would make zero financial sense.

Why not? The original guys played about half an hour after the current band in the UK in 2017 and they all did a bit together at the end. Alice is always going to play ‘Poison’ it was too big a hit for him not to, and even though the original guys could play it, the current band could do their thing and they could all join together at the end for ‘School’s Out’. As for “zero financial sense” you think the interest in the original guys isn’t there?! They would sell out more shows, they were on Detroit Stories which was a bigger hit than Road, so a new album with them would be another success generating more interest and making more money. Do the maths!

[Saint&Sinner]

They would sell out more shows, they were on Detroit Stories which was a bigger hit than Road, so a new album with them would be another success generating more interest and making more money. Do the maths!

As much as i have time for the OG band, i am a fan of solo alice more than the ACG, so i am biased. However no one i ever meet who finds out i am an alice fan knows or cares about the original band.
Detroit stories had a big push, the road was effectively dropped out with little fan fare that i saw. I havent seen sales figures for the road but wouldn't be surprised if it didn't do quite as well.
Also quality wise the road was miles better than detroit stories. i had a couple of mates who didnt buy the road initially as they brought detroit stories and hated it. Alice has always been a big NAME but never the biggest selling artist (more famous than popular) i just dont see the presence of Michael Bruce etc moving the needle for better or worse.

[cooperrocks]

Do a sort of reverse to what happened on the UK tour of 2017, the original guys play the first hour and are joined by the current band for the last half hour. 90 minutes of old and new keeps everyone happy.

Respectfully, if you are going to do that there is no reason to use the current band for half an hour. It would make zero financial sense.

Why not? The original guys played about half an hour after the current band in the UK in 2017 and they all did a bit together at the end. Alice is always going to play ‘Poison’ it was too big a hit for him not to, and even though the original guys could play it, the current band could do their thing and they could all join together at the end for ‘School’s Out’. As for “zero financial sense” you think the interest in the original guys isn’t there?! They would sell out more shows, they were on Detroit Stories which was a bigger hit than Road, so a new album with them would be another success generating more interest and making more money. Do the maths!

Doing the math is why I said what I did. It wasn't meant as any disrespect toward either lineup but I stand by the financial aspect of it. Alice's solo bands are hired guns. What I was saying is it isn't financially feasible, especially in a day and age where many bands can't afford to tour period, to pay a full band that is only going to play for half an hour. I know the original guys played a few songs in recent years but that was a very limited run of shows and I am sure there were some financial things involving that which is none of my business. You just can't have your current band come out and play a few songs and make it work money wise and as far as crowds, they have basically been relatively comparable for the last several years.

[cooperrocks]

They would sell out more shows, they were on Detroit Stories which was a bigger hit than Road, so a new album with them would be another success generating more interest and making more money. Do the maths!

As much as i have time for the OG band, i am a fan of solo alice more than the ACG, so i am biased. However no one i ever meet who finds out i am an alice fan knows or cares about the original band.
Detroit stories had a big push, the road was effectively dropped out with little fan fare that i saw. I havent seen sales figures for the road but wouldn't be surprised if it didn't do quite as well.
Also quality wise the road was miles better than detroit stories. i had a couple of mates who didnt buy the road initially as they brought detroit stories and hated it. Alice has always been a big NAME but never the biggest selling artist (more famous than popular) i just dont see the presence of Michael Bruce etc moving the needle for better or worse.

Agreed. For me the issue has always been "you can't go home again." There have been many eras of Alice that have been great but are in the past. It has been over 50 years since the original band were regularly touring. Alice has stayed in great shape and high energy. No disrespect to the other guys but they haven't toured nearly as much. Alice still tours months at a time, 5 shows a week. Not everyone can do that. Second, as you pointed out the average rock fan considers and basically always has a solo artist. Certainly any fan that joined since around the Constrictor era to the present has that mindset. I can speak for my family and friends. They would much rather buy a ticket to see Nita Strauss and Ryan Roxie than the original guys. The original band appeals to the older fan but the casual fan not nearly as me. We all have a right to like what we like but from a business standpoint, energy standpoint, etc the current band makes more sense and as I said in a previous post, the issue is expenses. If you decide to do a full tour with the original guys then you present it as such. That is how you market it and you make it strictly the original guys and you let fans know in your advertising, it will only be songs from Pretties For You thru Muscle of Love. That's not something I personally am interested in but if others are, I respect that.

But all of Alice's solo bands from Welcome to My Nightmare to the present are hired guns. You can't afford to pay them and the original guys both. Take someone like Nita Strauss. She can go out and do a solo tour instead of playing for 30 minutes. It just don't line up money wise and in terms of crowd size, you are going to get basically the same number of fans either way.

[Dr. Eary Ate Teens]

No Mans Land
You Drive Me Nervous
Second Coming
Luney Tune
Hallowed Be My Name
Never Been Sold Before
Hard Hearted Alice
Might As Well Be On Mars
I'm Flash
Fresh Blood
Then the Greatest Hits he has to play.

WITHOUT "Poison" please ...

[rgallie]

Change the setlist and half the price of tickets, might just go again if that happened.

And take out the Pink Floyd bit in School's Out, cannot stand them.

I think Alice is fair with tickets tbh if you play the long game.

When Oasis mania hit the UK I spent a good 5 hours queing to get 4 tickets at the back of Murrayfield for about £360, EACH!
I was so pissed off, not my price at all so I closed my browser.That night I got 4 centre fith row Alice tickets for the price of 1 Oasis back row ticket. Felt like a real good win to me and I would pay that again. These where kind of last minute buys before the gig date. I had looked them up when they went on pre-sale and they were very poor options, holding out paid off. I will probably stick to that strategy if the pre-sale options continue to be bland.

[del]

Change the setlist and half the price of tickets, might just go again if that happened.

And take out the Pink Floyd bit in School's Out, cannot stand them.

I think Alice is fair with tickets tbh if you play the long game.

When Oasis mania hit the UK I spent a good 5 hours queing to get 4 tickets at the back of Murrayfield for about £360, EACH!
I was so pissed off, not my price at all so I closed my browser.That night I got 4 centre fith row Alice tickets for the price of 1 Oasis back row ticket. Felt like a real good win to me and I would pay that again. These where kind of last minute buys before the gig date. I had looked them up when they went on pre-sale and they were very poor options, holding out paid off. I will probably stick to that strategy if the pre-sale options continue to be bland.

I’m actually surprised Alice’s tickets are not more expensive given today’s costs, the fact that he usually has special guests rather than support bands in the UK and the prices others charge for the same venues. Sure, you can pay a lot if you wish but the basic tickets certainly sit well against many other acts from different genres and decades.

As far as set lists go, I really don’t care nowadays. For me, it’s far more about actually being there, and enjoying every minute in case it’s the last time.

[Daggers & Contracts]

Change the setlist and half the price of tickets, might just go again if that happened.

And take out the Pink Floyd bit in School's Out, cannot stand them.

I think Alice is fair with tickets tbh if you play the long game.

When Oasis mania hit the UK I spent a good 5 hours queing to get 4 tickets at the back of Murrayfield for about £360, EACH!
I was so pissed off, not my price at all so I closed my browser.That night I got 4 centre fith row Alice tickets for the price of 1 Oasis back row ticket. Felt like a real good win to me and I would pay that again. These where kind of last minute buys before the gig date. I had looked them up when they went on pre-sale and they were very poor options, holding out paid off. I will probably stick to that strategy if the pre-sale options continue to be bland.

I’m actually surprised Alice’s tickets are not more expensive given today’s costs, the fact that he usually has special guests rather than support bands in the UK and the prices others charge for the same venues. Sure, you can pay a lot if you wish but the basic tickets certainly sit well against many other acts from different genres and decades.

As far as set lists go, I really don’t care nowadays. For me, it’s far more about actually being there, and enjoying every minute in case it’s the last time.

Well said del... The closest he's scheduled this year is 3 hrs. away & rooms will be at a premium.
I need to contact my Aunt & Uncle thankfully, they have a Condo..