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Yup, they definitely did perform it. I saw it live a handful of times.SKULLBOY wrote:
I remember watching/listening to them from behind the gates (front of the line!)at the same show. I thought they never actually performed [Feminine Side] on that tour. I was really hoping for it that night, though.
i did not name any names. i was only speaking in general terms.recoop wrote:Relates particularly to Matts comments re "smoke and mirrors"- Matt could you say a little bit more if you do believe that the original band members were not that capable live-you may well be aware of more evidence than I
off for hogmanay shortly so happy new year to all (but will look for your reply Matt-Thanks)
Actually I do remember it now. Funny enough, the first time I saw it live was almost two weeks later in Oshkosh when you were there!NotSoPerfect wrote:Yup, they definitely did perform it. I saw it live a handful of times.SKULLBOY wrote:
I remember watching/listening to them from behind the gates (front of the line!)at the same show. I thought they never actually performed [Feminine Side] on that tour. I was really hoping for it that night, though.
Ok, good! I almost said that...but then couldn't remember 100% if you were at that show or not. Was pretty sure you were. LOL....see? And if you recall, Alice sang the first verse twice that show, since it was so new to the setlist!SKULLBOY wrote:Actually I do remember it now. Funny enough, the first time I saw it live was almost two weeks later in Oshkosh when you were there!NotSoPerfect wrote:Yup, they definitely did perform it. I saw it live a handful of times.SKULLBOY wrote:
I remember watching/listening to them from behind the gates (front of the line!)at the same show. I thought they never actually performed [Feminine Side] on that tour. I was really hoping for it that night, though.
i agree. it looks as if i was making a general statement, but i quoted recoop's comment about the original band. mix-up on my part. my statement was about any musicians in general. i don't believe any technology today would make ANY musician from the 70's (for example) a better musician. there's actually a fair amount of controversy about digitally altering a singer's voice to correct for singing off-key. alice has been accused of using such a device. so has ozzy. would that make any singer a better singer? no, it merely makes them *sound* better. and that's what i was referring to as 'smoke and mirrors.'Si wrote:I think that's very unfair Matt, and in the cases of Dennis and Neal, way off the mark. Both were and are phenominal musicians.
i have had private discussions with numerous musicians that have worked with alice since 1982. all of them agreed on one thing - the songs still hold their own.Si wrote:but I suggest you ask the current band what they think of Dennis and Neal's playing back then.
i think musical styles back then were just different. that's what made up the whole 'garage band' sound. and the closest thing you had to a guitar virtuoso was jimi hendrix. does his playing style compare to john petrucci or eric johnson? no, but that wasn't the 'sound' back then.Si wrote:Also remember that the original band hadn't really been playing that long, reletively, at the time of the success. Less then 10 years. Some of todays band have been playing twice that or more by the time they join Alice. It was also a different time back then and different circumstances. A group of friends forming a band rather then hiring seasoned professional players.
I do agree though that Technology wouldn`t come into it.
No problem. I had a feeling that might have been what you meant. It was just unclear.mattcoddington wrote:i agree. it looks as if i was making a general statement, but i quoted recoop's comment about the original band. mix-up on my part. my statement was about any musicians in general.Si wrote:I think that's very unfair Matt, and in the cases of Dennis and Neal, way off the mark. Both were and are phenominal musicians.
Do Eric Johnson and John Petrucci compare to Hendrix? Nomattcoddington wrote:
i think musical styles back then were just different. that's what made up the whole 'garage band' sound. and the closest thing you had to a guitar virtuoso was jimi hendrix. does his playing style compare to john petrucci or eric johnson? no, but that wasn't the 'sound' back then.
there's not reason they should. again, my point was there are from 2 different eras of style.steven_crayn wrote: Do Eric Johnson and John Petrucci compare to Hendrix? No
keri kellie and damon johnson. i don't think alice would take on such a high caliber/high profile of musician as that might take away from 'alice cooper.' i am speaking of live performances.steven_crayn wrote:If Hendrix was alive who do you think Alice would want on guitar?
thanks, although i can think of thousands of better photos they could have chosen! but that's another story/gripe.steven_crayn wrote:Remember as Alice said in Golf Monster (nice photo of yours in last chapter by the way)
obviously this was his opinion at the time of writing. and in true alice fashion, he contradicts himself (or merely changes his opinion.) what about kane roberts? al pitrelli? reb beach? keri kelli could be lumped in there as well, because he does tone it down for alice. keri is a very accomplished musician whose abilities far exceed that of most who have played with alice.steven_crayn wrote:"I tell my guys a great guitar player isn't what he plays, it's what he doesn't play. Guys like Yngwie Malmsteen, who plays through everything, to me is not a great guitar player. A good guitar player is George Harrison, Jeff Beck, or Keith Richards. They play when it's time to play"
opinion, but i understand what you're getting at.steven_crayn wrote:That is one of the resons that made Michael & Glen and then later Dick & Steve so special, coupled with the fact that Alice's best albums were made in the 1970's in no small part thanks to those guys.
i concur.steven_crayn wrote:I like the current band and hope to see what they can write on the forthcoming album should they get the chance.
i believe it is way too early to speculate. also, just because certain musicians have other projects going on, that doesn't mean alice can't write without them. despite whether or not alice is golfing, we all know he is capable of sitting down and writing a song in 10 mins.Jumping Jack wrote:Anyone know the schedule for the new album? Jan is Coop's golf month, KK is booked in Feb. Does that mean March at the earliest, or more hired guns in the studio?
Really? In the Greg Hampton interview (here on sickthingsuk) it sounds more like, to me at least, they just wanted to take it in a different direction. Of course, it might have been a case of both.WickedYoungMan wrote:It's my understanding that most of the songs that the touring band had written for the last album were not deemed to be that good, thus why most of it was scrapped. Not that the new outcome was necessarily that great, but still.
Well to be fair I doubt he'll come out and say "I thought the demos sucked so I had to hurry and rewrite the songs." Regardless of what one might think of his songwriting or producing abilities he is at least very cordial and diplomatic it seems.Swinger wrote:Really? In the Greg Hampton interview (here on sickthingsuk) it sounds more like, to me at least, they just wanted to take it in a different direction.
are you sure demos were even recorded?WickedYoungMan wrote:Well to be fair I doubt he'll come out and say "I thought the demos sucked so I had to hurry and rewrite the songs."
According to Greg Hampton the band had done about 20 demos prior to his involvment.mattcoddington wrote:are you sure demos were even recorded?WickedYoungMan wrote:Well to be fair I doubt he'll come out and say "I thought the demos sucked so I had to hurry and rewrite the songs."
