Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by Rock10 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:31 pm

cooperrocks wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:30 pm
Songs like Wicked Young Man and Triggerman aren't condoning school shootings etc, but if anything warnings against that type of behavior.
He gets away with it, because he says he's playing a character.

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by sumorider » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:02 pm

Necrophilia is sometimes depicted in thriller films.
Alice is great story teller who loves thriller/horror films. No problem!

I think Jim Morrison's lyrics are far more problematic than Alice's (The End, Riders On The Storm),
but they are imaginative and beautiful.

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by rgallie » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:45 pm

I would say if you think "I love the dead" crosses the line then Alice may not be your thing :rotfl:

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by padre_sliprat » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:06 am

To me, it isn't about a few expletives - I've been known to paint the air dark at times myself. The line-crossing comes in terms of mentioning J-Lo in a song or trying to be Steven Tyler on the live intro to I'm Your Gun. And most definitely being influenced by Bon Jovi in the 80's. Embarrassing things like that are what bugs me. Yet, I have no problem with Thrill My Gorilla (turn it up loud and drive through the carwash - you'll be hooked on that experience). I must draw the line at Neal's Choke My Python or whatever its called.
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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by Babysquid » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:06 pm

cooperrocks wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:30 pm
A song like Dead Babies is an anti child abuse song
Is it really? I know Alice said it was in the Prime Cuts documentary but I’m not convinced and never really have been. It sounds more like a plain shock tactic than a message song and the anti abuse sentiment was just Alice’s spin afterwards . Obviously I wasn’t present during the writing and recording but I have a suspicion that the vague child neglect subject matter was more an excuse to loudly sing “Dead Babies” in the chorus.

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by Ted Sallis » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:14 pm

Babysquid wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:06 pm
cooperrocks wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:30 pm
A song like Dead Babies is an anti child abuse song
Is it really? I know Alice said it was in the Prime Cuts documentary but I’m not convinced and never really have been. It sounds more like a plain shock tactic than a message song and the anti abuse sentiment was just Alice’s spin afterwards . Obviously I wasn’t present during the writing and recording but I have a suspicion that the vague child neglect subject matter was more an excuse to loudly sing “Dead Babies” in the chorus.
I believe Michael Bruce stated in his book - which I have - that the idea for the song Dead Babies came from a real life incident when a baby died after ingesting something they shouldn't have, but it wasn't aspirin as stated in the song. This fact wouldn't necessarily mean that DB is automatically an anti child abuse song, though. It could depend on whether it was intended as such by the ACG when they wrote the song.

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by SickThings » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:18 pm

Ted Sallis wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:14 pm
I believe Michael Bruce stated in his book - which I have - that the idea for the song Dead Babies came from a real life incident when a baby died after ingesting something they shouldn't have, but it wasn't aspirin as stated in the song.
In at least one live version of the song from that time period, Alice sings "quaaludes" and not "aspirin," which seems appropriate for a real-life event in that era.

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by Daggers & Contracts » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:01 am

SickThings wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:18 pm
Ted Sallis wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:14 pm
I believe Michael Bruce stated in his book - which I have - that the idea for the song Dead Babies came from a real life incident when a baby died after ingesting something they shouldn't have, but it wasn't aspirin as stated in the song.
In at least one live version of the song from that time period, Alice sings "quaaludes" and not "aspirin," which seems appropriate for a real-life event in that era.
Quaaludes were the rage in the '80's. AC also sings about them in "Dance Yourself to Death".
"The rights to Quaalude were held by the JB Roerig & Company division of Pfizer, before the drug was discontinued in the United States in 1985, mainly due to its psychological addictiveness, widespread abuse, and illegal recreational use."
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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by Babysquid » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:36 am

Ted Sallis wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:14 pm
Babysquid wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:06 pm
cooperrocks wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:30 pm
A song like Dead Babies is an anti child abuse song
Is it really? I know Alice said it was in the Prime Cuts documentary but I’m not convinced and never really have been. It sounds more like a plain shock tactic than a message song and the anti abuse sentiment was just Alice’s spin afterwards . Obviously I wasn’t present during the writing and recording but I have a suspicion that the vague child neglect subject matter was more an excuse to loudly sing “Dead Babies” in the chorus.
I believe Michael Bruce stated in his book - which I have - that the idea for the song Dead Babies came from a real life incident when a baby died after ingesting something they shouldn't have, but it wasn't aspirin as stated in the song. This fact wouldn't necessarily mean that DB is automatically an anti child abuse song, though. It could depend on whether it was intended as such by the ACG when they wrote the song.

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by del » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:55 am

I’ve not heard any line crossing since the early days when the bar for upset and uproar was so much lower. Only other line for me has been the number of covers and he is well past that now.

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by forglasgowonly » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:54 am

Little by Little :)

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by lattss » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:17 pm

forglasgowonly wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:54 am
Little by Little :)
This is the best answer :rotfl:

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by mr.barlow » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:17 pm

padre_sliprat wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:06 am
To me, it isn't about a few expletives - I've been known to paint the air dark at times myself. The line-crossing comes in terms of mentioning J-Lo in a song or trying to be Steven Tyler on the live intro to I'm Your Gun. And most definitely being influenced by Bon Jovi in the 80's. Embarrassing things like that are what bugs me. Yet, I have no problem with Thrill My Gorilla (turn it up loud and drive through the carwash - you'll be hooked on that experience). I must draw the line at Neal's Choke My Python or whatever its called.
I agree with The Padre
Alice "jumped the shark" with Trash when he started pronouncing the word "baby" as "baaaayyyyybeeee" just like the arse Bon Jovi.

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by mr.barlow » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:20 pm

I'm surprised he hasn't Bon Jovized "Dead Babies" yet.

"Dead Bayyyyybbeeeees can't take things off the shelf"

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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by Daggers & Contracts » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:16 am

mr.barlow wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:20 pm
I'm surprised he hasn't Bon Jovized "Dead Babies" yet.

"Dead Bayyyyybbeeeees can't take things off the shelf"
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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by sumorider » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:14 pm

Alice crossed the line when he covered David Bowie who disliked Alice.
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Re: Songs where Alice may have crossed the line

Post by Daggers & Contracts » Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:53 pm

sumorider wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:14 pm
Alice crossed the line when he covered David Bowie who disliked Alice.
Even now, I can't face the reality...
What about respect for the recently passed Bowie (at that time)?
Sounds like a very Christian thing to do. :HEART:
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