Classic Rock: Kiss And Alice
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Classic Rock: Kiss And Alice
Congrats to Danno for getting a question for Kiss in the latest issue of Classic Rock magazine.
Check out Gene's comment. Could be a little double edged, but linda shows due respect.
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Who should be first in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame? (Dannorama)
Stanley: I don't really think it maters. Becaue the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, quite honestly, is the emperor's new cloths. It's convincing people that's something is there that isn`t. It's smoke and mirrors. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame sounds very official but in fact it's just a few people who have registered a name and decided who's in and who's out. So.... who cares? If we get in we would accept, gladly, because we have fans to whom it means a lot. For that reason we would do it. But to give the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame so much credibility is only based on the name sounding like it means something. And it means nothing.
Simmons: I think Alice should be first. Because when Alice came along it was a game-changer. We must give him his due. He may not mean as much now, but at the time he was The Man. So riveting that Raquel Welch tried for years to **** him and he wouldn`t do it.
Check out Gene's comment. Could be a little double edged, but linda shows due respect.
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Who should be first in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame? (Dannorama)
Stanley: I don't really think it maters. Becaue the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, quite honestly, is the emperor's new cloths. It's convincing people that's something is there that isn`t. It's smoke and mirrors. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame sounds very official but in fact it's just a few people who have registered a name and decided who's in and who's out. So.... who cares? If we get in we would accept, gladly, because we have fans to whom it means a lot. For that reason we would do it. But to give the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame so much credibility is only based on the name sounding like it means something. And it means nothing.
Simmons: I think Alice should be first. Because when Alice came along it was a game-changer. We must give him his due. He may not mean as much now, but at the time he was The Man. So riveting that Raquel Welch tried for years to **** him and he wouldn`t do it.
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Paul beat about the bush a bit without giving an answer, but I supose his comments about the Hall Of Shame mirrors what a lot of what gets said on this site.
To be honest, I thought they were already in.
To be honest, I thought they were already in.
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At 69 Raquel is still sizzling hot!!!
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Cool! Thanks, Si. Once again, I learned it here first!
I like both answers. It's good to hear some perspective from the players themselves.
I like both answers. It's good to hear some perspective from the players themselves.
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Was there ever really any serious animosity between Alice and Kiss, or was it just something that was invented by the Rock press? I.e, there was two acts who were performing the same kind of theatrical rock, and therefore there has to be hated between the two
Don't forget that it was the British media that created the general perception of what punk is. In the early days, all that the original punk bands (as we known punk now), such as the Ramones and the Sex Pistols, stood for was...be yourself, have fun and don't follow others. It took the British press to change this into the spitting, swearing, offensive music that punk is now known as. This changed the second generation of punk bands (i.e Stiff Little Fingers, The Boomtown Rats, the two-tone bands) and by the time we get to the third generation of bands (i.e the 'oi' groups and the Nation Front followers), punk had totally changed from what it originally stood for...all because of media intervention
Fans thought that they HAD to 'gob' at the bands, and go out fighting hippies and mods etc because the media told then that this is how punks behaved
Don't forget that it was the British media that created the general perception of what punk is. In the early days, all that the original punk bands (as we known punk now), such as the Ramones and the Sex Pistols, stood for was...be yourself, have fun and don't follow others. It took the British press to change this into the spitting, swearing, offensive music that punk is now known as. This changed the second generation of punk bands (i.e Stiff Little Fingers, The Boomtown Rats, the two-tone bands) and by the time we get to the third generation of bands (i.e the 'oi' groups and the Nation Front followers), punk had totally changed from what it originally stood for...all because of media intervention
Fans thought that they HAD to 'gob' at the bands, and go out fighting hippies and mods etc because the media told then that this is how punks behaved
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A great question IMO so well done.
I really like Simmons' reply...magnaminous re Alice and no ego getting in the way...but just as Alice is IMO, Simmons is a very intelligent man (although I'm not keen on Kiss).
It would be good if Alice was inducted one year and then could play a part in ceremony for KISS the next year. IMO Paul Stanley is correct what he says about R and R Hall but most rock stars like awards so I'm thinking Paul would like to be in for himself as well as the fans.
I really like Simmons' reply...magnaminous re Alice and no ego getting in the way...but just as Alice is IMO, Simmons is a very intelligent man (although I'm not keen on Kiss).
It would be good if Alice was inducted one year and then could play a part in ceremony for KISS the next year. IMO Paul Stanley is correct what he says about R and R Hall but most rock stars like awards so I'm thinking Paul would like to be in for himself as well as the fans.
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Good on ya, Danno.
And good on Gene for saying about Alice: "we must give him his due". I think Paul's comment about the hall of shame is bang on.
And good on Gene for saying about Alice: "we must give him his due". I think Paul's comment about the hall of shame is bang on.
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If I remember correctly Bowie couldn't even be bothered to turn up ? I think Madonna turned up on his behalf !
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>Was there ever really any serious animosity between Alice and Kiss,
No.
>there was two acts who were performing the same kind of theatrical rock, and therefore there has to be hated between the two
Actually, the styles were very different.
No.
>there was two acts who were performing the same kind of theatrical rock, and therefore there has to be hated between the two
Actually, the styles were very different.
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Where Alice show was based on theatrics, Kiss` was more of flash bomb fever, something which I can`t ever remembering AC use.
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Hooray for Danno.
Im just happy to hear them say these things.
I feel the same way...about the Hall of shame and who was first in this SOUP.
I have a new respect for the two. I enjoy a little KISS....but not my cup of tea.
Im just happy to hear them say these things.
I feel the same way...about the Hall of shame and who was first in this SOUP.
I have a new respect for the two. I enjoy a little KISS....but not my cup of tea.
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That's typical Gene speak.... compliment somebody while sneaking in a dig at the same time.
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I definitely didn't like the comment about Alice not meaning much nowadays when in certain circles the same can be said for Kiss.
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well, it's completely true.MacQueen wrote:I definitely didn't like the comment about Alice not meaning much nowadays
they are more relevant than alice right now. especially gene himself. kiss still sells more albums, concert tickets and merch.MacQueen wrote:when in certain circles the same can be said for Kiss.
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so.... flash pots aren't considered theatrics to you?Baz wrote:Where Alice show was based on theatrics, Kiss` was more of flash bomb fever, something which I can`t ever remembering AC use.
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Re Gene's comments I took it to mean that Alice may not mean as much now as he did as in his heyday..which may be fair comment re Alice and many others.. but Gene does say that at one time he was The Man..whihc to my eyes is fullsome praise...don't think he is trying to be derogatory with this comment...the bit re Raquel Squwelch is just v funny IMO
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He's made his impact years ago, but doesn't need to keep doing so to keep his worth. So I don't consider it much of an offence when recognising that he's no longer such an influential figure in the music scene as he once was (nor should he be). People move on and get over what was once a huge impact ... the real value in his work was and still is good entertainment.
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Rich comming from Gene saying Alice may not mean much now, KISS havnt meant anything since the mid 80s,
Atleast Alice is still relevent in the music scene, (currently writing his 6th album since 2000)
while KISS have just made there first in 10 years and keep touring the same set over and over, just lame Gene
Atleast Alice is still relevent in the music scene, (currently writing his 6th album since 2000)
while KISS have just made there first in 10 years and keep touring the same set over and over, just lame Gene