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[Gorehound]

The POTUS is screwing rich and successful people big time. Who cares if they get a break with tickets? They have earned it and are worthy. Coop deserves to get rich as well. Maybe the socialists should nationalize the music business as well and institute price controls. What do you think would happen to the quality of music then, LOL?

The majority of the people that have money have worked hard to get there while others sit on a barstool and dream of having money AND think that they deserve it.

Who's to say they earned it? Who's to say those sat on a barstool don't? My Mum is an intelligent woman who put a lot of hard work into studying and got good grades but she gave up most of her working life to bring up me and my sister. As a result, when she had to go back into the working world cos my Dad left she's now on a low wage even though she could do so much better (and would no doubt have worked her way up the food chain and got a good wage had she stayed in her previous employment). My Dad however is on a decent wage simply because of who he knows. He got rubbish grades at school and never bothered with college or uni. He didn't work all that hard to get where he is.

I care about tickets. I mean it's great if you can afford to do the VIP and you want to. I'd love to do it if I had the money. But the reality is I can either pay for one VIP show or for the whole UK tour at present simply because I'm still in education and only have a part time job. Now I'm sure I'd still enjoy the show further back but it's just not the same as at the front. I'd never have got my cane if they'd let VIP's in early and I hadn't been on the barrier. Or my dirty diamonds.

The thought of never seeing another GA Alice show from the front because VIP's always get the barrier sucks. Maybe a couple of years down the line I would be able to afford to do a few VIP's but maybe not. Everyone should have a fair chance of making the front if they want to, regardless of age, wealth, etc.

[RemarkablyInsincere]

I agree also. Said it all along.

By all means have the VIP packages but do NOT attach them to premium tickets. That is unfair to the hardcore fans who maybe don`t have as much disposible income as a few highrollers (no disrespect to those who buy the VIP's).

This is happening in the US even outside of the VIP packages.

Many venues now have their own "clubs" that offer early admission to the venue. If you pay the yearly fee you are a member of that "club" which is sometimes good for several venues within that city.

I remember waiting out in Columbus for over 6 hours... through a torrential downpour... only to watch the "Decibel Club" members waltz up 15 minutes before the doors open, get let in and get front and center.

There's also other types of nonsense where the venues set things up to try to squeeze every last penny from the fans. For example, the House of Blues offers you an early admission line if you go and eat at their restaurant or buy $15 worth of merchandise from their store. So we waited out all day for an Ace Frehley show, only to have them let a bunch of other, I assume connected, people who took up front row center.

I also remember waiting out at Oneida Casino in Green Bay for about 6 hours only to have them let in about 30-40 "high rollers" who took up the entire first row.

I used to love GA shows for the opportunity they presented, but more and more you can't even be sure that waiting out all day is going to pay off.

I don't have a problem with the VIP meet and greets as it offers fans at least an opportunity to meet the artist that might not otherwise be available. And for the most part, over the years good reserved Alice tickets have been obtainable at face value if you put the effort in. I hope that doesn't change too much.

The fact is, however, money talks and the acts and venues are both exploring additional revenue streams like never before. If it gets to the point where the truly passionate fans can't get good seats, that won't necessarily be to the benefit of the artist in the long run.

[Lisacooper91]

hmm... about the 15 minutes early-entry thing...
I'm going to Bonn (Germany) with a friend of mine.. but he got a VIP ticket... but I don't think I'll be able to sneak in when he's allowed to enter the venue?
waiting alone scares me...
maybe I should bring my VIP pass from December... LOL!

(I know, stupid question...)

[Dragonlady]

I think the 15 min earlier thing is only for US shows so far. Hm, two of my fellow sickies are now going to Bonn. Should I join you?

I heard rumors that Alice might play the Wine Fair in Colmar, that would be a lot closer to me, so I am kind of waiting on this. Oh, what to do?

RI, I heard about the House of Blues doing that from fellow Tom Jones fans. They also complained that at one of the HoB venues the first row was just rowdy people who didn't care about the music!

The whole queueing thing is stressing but it's also part of the fun.

[crazy stupid idea mode on] OK why don't they decide to have a ticket system like in post offices? The earlier you got the better number and then it first come first served. [/crazy stupid idea mode off]

Just trying to show that this is the fairest way of getting to the front, not perfect but fair. Any random system is fair, but if you can influence luck then it's not fair play. Just saying

[Lisacooper91]

oh yes.. you should join! would be great to meet some Sickies!
in December, when I had VIP tickets for the show in Kerkrade I was also allowed to enter the venue 15 minutes earlier

anyway, I hope I'll make it to the front row... or else I won't be able to see a damn thing... I'm a friggin' midget!

[AC Collect]

anyway, I hope I'll make it to the front row... or else I won't be able to see a damn thing... I'm a friggin' midget!

I Know just how you feel

[mattcoddington]

Why is someone with more disposible cash more important?

Maybe they should be VRP tickets.

that's just the way it is. court-side basketball seats cost way more than standard seats. and what about luxury boxes at just about any sporting event?

[Dragonlady]

General admission has always been "nosebleed" zone. Always been the cheapest option*. Giving this off to the "VRP" is just **** up. (sorry 'bout the language)

Seats are something else.

* that and seats up in the rafters with the pigeons and fairies.

[Si]

Why is someone with more disposible cash more important?

Maybe they should be VRP tickets.

that's just the way it is. court-side basketball seats cost way more than standard seats. and what about luxury boxes at just about any sporting event?

Just because that`s the way it is doesn`t mean it has to be that way, as it hasn`t been in the past.
There are normally two ways of doing everything. The right way and the wrong way, and while the definition of what's right and wrong in this case may differ depending on your point of view (making money vs fans) in this situtaion there is a valid alternative which is perfectly workable without any loss of revenue.

[Si]

The POTUS is screwing rich and successful people big time. Who cares if they get a break with tickets? They have earned it and are worthy. Coop deserves to get rich as well. Maybe the socialists should nationalize the music business as well and institute price controls. What do you think would happen to the quality of music then, LOL?

The majority of the people that have money have worked hard to get there while others sit on a barstool and dream of having money AND think that they deserve it.

Wow. What planet do you live on?
You have just insulted every hard working stiff in the world with one generalisation that disregards just about everything that could happen to someone in their life.
Not even sure where to start with this garbage.

[Jumping Jack]

Interesting how the exact same verbage on the Tom Petty board concerning his $300 Mojo tickets generated a page and a half of jokes and laughter.

BTW, I work very hard and think I deserve and am entitled to a Ferrari and super model and am ticked it hasn't happened yet. Damn rich people!!!

[Dragonlady]

Oh dear. I just realised that the Colmar Wine Fair might clash with my cousin's marriage. I pray that Alice won't play on the week end, if he does play there. For once that someone gets married in this family I want to be there.

[Si]

BTW, I work very hard and think I deserve and am entitled to a Ferrari and super model and am ticked it hasn't happened yet.

If you think you are *entitled* to ANYTHING you are deluded.
No one has said anything about being entitled to anything. Quite the oppersite in fact.

[mattcoddington]

Just because that`s the way it is doesn`t mean it has to be that way, as it hasn`t been in the past.
There are normally two ways of doing everything. The right way and the wrong way, and while the definition of what's right and wrong in this case may differ depending on your point of view (making money vs fans) in this situtaion there is a valid alternative which is perfectly workable without any loss of revenue.

i'm not saying your wrong - but what would you suggest?

[NotSoPerfect]

I do believe he already posted his suggestion---having VIP upgrades only, so that everyone had a chance at the same tickets and GA positions, yet those who could pay would get all of the OTHER VIP perks...just not the "guaranteed right up front because you paid for it" portion.

[mattcoddington]

I do believe he already posted his suggestion---having VIP upgrades only, so that everyone had a chance at the same tickets and GA positions, yet those who could pay would get all of the OTHER VIP perks...just not the "guaranteed right up front because you paid for it" portion.

so people would be spending $500+ for a 5 minute meeting with alice? there has to be other incentives to make it worth-while. i personally liked it when they gave tours of the stage pre-show. obviously that is very difficult to do for logistic reasons, and i believe that is why it was only done for 1 tour.

[Si]

so people would be spending $500+ for a 5 minute meeting with alice? there has to be other incentives to make it worth-while. i personally liked it when they gave tours of the stage pre-show. obviously that is very difficult to do for logistic reasons, and i believe that is why it was only done for 1 tour.

If the ticket price isn`t included in the VIP, the VIP price would be cheaper anyway (as obviously it would be safe to say anyone getting a VIP would also be buying a ticket). You wouldn`t charge the same amount for a VIP WITH a ticket, as one without, unless you are just trying to get as much money as possible out of people, and if that`s the case whether a ticket is included or not isn`t important to the seller.

It isn`t like what I suggest hasn`t been done previously. This "early entry with VIP" hasn`t happened with every VIP offer. It wasn`t part of the last UK tour VIP's for example, and they sold out anyway.

[Lisacooper91]

so people would be spending $500+ for a 5 minute meeting with alice?

yes.
and my meet & greet was so much longer than 5 minutes... there were only 5 or 6 of us... and we were with Alice for like an hour!

all the hard work was definitely worth it.

but... at this moment I wish it was so much cheaper! I want it again

[AC Collect]

Sure wish I could afford a VIP!

I'd probably make a complete fool out of myself if I met alice. I did have a brief meeting with him at a signing, but people who did go there will know how bad it was. But with a proper meeting like that, I'd probably faint.

[mattcoddington]

If the ticket price isn`t included in the VIP, the VIP price would be cheaper anyway (as obviously it would be safe to say anyone getting a VIP would also be buying a ticket).

the vip packages don't come with tickets. they are UPGRADE packages.

You wouldn`t charge the same amount for a VIP WITH a ticket, as one without, unless you are just trying to get as much money as possible out of people, and if that`s the case whether a ticket is included or not isn`t important to the seller.

they certainly could charge the same amount and just include the ticket as an extra perk. your theory is looking at it from the other direction.

It isn`t like what I suggest hasn`t been done previously. This "early entry with VIP" hasn`t happened with every VIP offer. It wasn`t part of the last UK tour VIP's for example, and they sold out anyway.

you are correct. it seems that it is sporadic.

however, maybe some of you should look at it this way - not everyone has the capacity to sprint to the front row as soon as the doors are opened. and isn't it only fair that other 'die hard' fans get an opportunity at being in the very front? isn't it a bit arrogant to say, 'i MUST be at the front for EVERY show'? some of you pay your dues by waiting in the rain and cold and running to get your front spot. fair enough. but other pay their dues by working 60 hours a week so that they can save up enough money for a vip upgrade package that would allow them to also get a good spot.