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Post by AC Collect » Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:52 pm

May 14 KIWR Radio Event Council Bluffs, IA
May 16 KAZR Radio Event
May 19 Uptown Amphitheatre at the Music Factory Charlotte, NC ON SALE NOW!
May 22 Artpark Lewiston, NY
June 21 Museumplatz Bonn, Germany

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Godsmack have been added to the bill with Alice and Rob on the Gruesome Twosome Tour.
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Post by Dragonlady » Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:11 pm

It also says: "For these performances, all VIP general admission ticket buyers will also receive 15-minute early admission to the show!"

It's bad enough with special offers of vip seats. But this is utterly disgusting. Does it mean only rich people will get to have a chance at shows?
I hope this will not start happening here.

Sorry to sound so negative but that part really shocked me.

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Post by AC Collect » Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:59 pm

No, I totally agree.
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Post by Si » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:21 am

I agree also. Said it all along.

By all means have the VIP packages but do NOT attach them to premium tickets. That is unfair to the hardcore fans who maybe don`t have as much disposible income as a few highrollers (no disrespect to those who buy the VIP's).

You can give VIP tickets with comfortable seats, TV screens, free recordings of the show, anything you like, but they should NOT get in early or get preferential seating. They should buy their concert ticket the same as everyone else and have to put in the work that you have to do to get to the front, not just pay to for it. The VIP packages should be an add-on to this, an option that IS available, but shold be the ONLY option for a VIP package.

The whole VIP thing, with early admission, has soured me on doing the whole tour again. All those hours put in trying to get the best tickets and/or queuing all day to get to the front often wasted due to either dreadful venue organisation or the "VIP effect". I don't think we will ever do a whole UK our again if this is the deal here. Just not worth all that wasted time when you could find yourself behind some people who only knows 'Poison' and 'School's Out, spending the whole show sitting on their backside in front of Alice (It's happened more then once).

Seperate VIP packages from the ticket sale. Two different things. That way it's fair for everyone. Just because someone buys a VIP ticket doesn`t make them a bigger fan (whatever that means), or any more special then someone who does have he money for it. They aren`t "very importand People", just have more money.

Again, no disrespect meant to those who Can afford it.

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Post by Ravenred » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:13 am

The whole VIP thing, with early admission, has soured me on doing the whole tour again. All those hours put in trying to get the best tickets and/or queuing all day to get to the front often wasted due to either dreadful venue organisation or the "VIP effect". I don't think we will ever do a whole UK our again if this is the deal here. Just not worth all that wasted time when you could find yourself behind some people who only knows 'Poison' and 'School's Out, spending the whole show sitting on their backside in front of Alice (It's happened more then once).

I agree too. It's bad enough as you say with some of the dreadful venue organisation ( for Wolverhampton i drove 4hrs to get there, queued for 8hrs & only made the barrier thanks to other sickies after the complete mess up with the door guy faffing around with my ticket & then drove 4rs home)& also having to deal with the idiots who turn up just before the doors open & push & shove their way to the front without the early entry VIP thing as well. Yes i bought a VIP for one of the shows but i was more than willing to queue all day still. I won't be attending as many shows in the future either if that happens with the VIP tickets in the UK.
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Post by Gorehound » Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:51 pm

Nice posts, I agree too. Early admission for VIP's is not fair. The problems we've had at some venues are bad enough without the VIP's getting in early as well.

What about us poor students who struggle just to pay for shows, travel and accommodation without having to go bankrupt on VIP's just for a decent spot on the barrier eh? :p
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Post by AC Collect » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:23 pm

Also, If you think about it, this 15 minute early admission thing is going to make more people want to buy the VIP's.
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Post by Dragonlady » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:54 pm

I'm sure that's the whole idea AC Collect. The numbers are limited but who's to say they won't offer more another year?

I find it very sad if hardcore fans like Si, Jaded, Ravenred, etc... are thinking of not doing the full tours anymore. That'a sure sign that something is really rotten here.

It's also simply about choice. Say most of us earn enough money to save a modest sum for concerts. Then what? For the price of one VIP, I can fly to the UK, spend two nights in a cheap hotel plus pay my general admission ticket. Or I can go to see half a dozen of concerts in my own country. If I have to spend all of that money on VIP tickets I will have to give up on my main passion and hobby? Or reduce the number of concerts I attend. I really don't find this fair.

I hope someone will end up listening to fans, this is an issue that concerns all bands and performers.

I already mentioned the gripe I have with Ticketcorner, one of the main Swiss ticket sellers. It just got worse. Their site is really not clear about things. But basically you can pay around 20£ to get a membership. Then you can buy VIP tickets. But not all offers. If you want these offers (the full package of VIP's) you need to get a credit card (!!!) for the same fee (you can have either you don't have to get both at least I don't think so)

That credit card is your membership card for VIP offers, you can buy tickets before others etc. That's really a method that raises the hair in my head.

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Post by sammysausage76 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:38 pm

That is really lame that they would allow people to "buy" their spot in line at GA shows... I got tickets to the Lewiston, NY show, thankfully (I guess) not a GA show. Also, thankfully (for me) Godsmack has not been added to the tour but are just doing two radio festival shows that both Alice and Zombie are playing.

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Post by AC Collect » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:52 pm

So this means, if alice does any UK shows this year apart from Sonisphere, all of the sickies in the UK will not get on the barrier unless they buy a VIP ticket. That is not fair, so it doesn't matter how long you queue up at the doors, you will have to watch the show dodging the back of someones head! However, some people with VIP and early admission may be seated. Of course, knowing my luck, they will all be standing.

I'm 13, if I bought a VIP package, It'll completley wipe out my bank account. Let alone there are age restrictions, so I can't go without either my mom or dad, who will have to fork out £300. Also, if I didn't buy a VIP package, that means with these early admission rules, I won't see a thing at all. That's either forcing me to buy a VIP Pass, or to sit on the balcony's. So that will ruin my night.
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Post by Shoesalesman » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:35 pm

VIPs are tricky things. I shelled out over $500 for one back in 2005 and I spent quite a while saving up for it, plus even more after the whole thing was done. I won't get another one because all I wanted was to meet Alice once and get some stuff signed; now that I've done that, I'm good. But I knew the cost of the VIP and reserched it well before I bought it. Not fair to those who can't afford it, I agree, but I went for it with full knowledge on what the whole thing entailed.

Now the thing with the VIP for the Gruesome Twosome tour (general admission on the floor) is I'm pretty sure (although not confirmed) that Zombie's fans could get VIPs and get early admission too... which means you can have Zombie fans at the barrier for Alice's portion of the show, folks who may not give two squirts of piss about Alice, only wanting a great spot for Zombie's performance.

I'm slowly (and painfully) accepting the idea that chances of getting to the barrier or even close to it on this tour with just a plain old GA floor ticket is slim to none, even if I camp out at the door all day. I knew if I wanted to increase my chances I'd have to get an expensive VIP, but I wasn't willing to do that on this tour so I can't be upset if I'm numerous rows back for Alice's show. Whether I WILL be upset watching the VIPs truck in the door fifteen minutes early is another story, an urge I'll have to fight through at that time.

The age old question of who "deserves" to be at the front is debatable (casual fan with VIP vs. die hard fan), but what can you do? If I'm not at the front for Edmonton and Calgary I'm still going to rock my socks off and have a blast!
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Post by Shoesalesman » Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:37 pm

Just to add with respect, separate from the VIP discussion, I'd rather get a regular seat than choosing not to attend a show based on not getting a seat up front. I was in row 25 last tour for one of the shows I attended - I was pissed off at first, but I warmed up to the idea and I had a great time from far back! Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer a spot at the barrier, but if I can't get that just get me a regular spot somewhere else in the venue. At this point in Alice's career, age and possibility of eventually not doing this anymore I can't see not attending a show because I couldn't get the best spot.

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Post by sparkinthedark » Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:39 pm

AC Collect wrote:So this means, if alice does any UK shows this year apart from Sonisphere, all of the sickies in the UK will not get on the barrier unless they buy a VIP ticket. That is not fair, so it doesn't matter how long you queue up at the doors, you will have to watch the show dodging the back of someones head!
Though there's nothing to say that VIP packages will be sold should Alice do more UK gigs this year and also nothing to say that VIPs will be given early entry to GA venues (they weren't last year). I've not read the latest VIP info, admittedly - is early entry something that they are guaranteeing for all GA shows for VIP holders forthwith?

I'm one of those who bought VIP last UK tour but I do agree with the comments that it should not grant people early entry. Everyone should have equal chance to get a front row spot.
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Post by mattcoddington » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:27 pm

AC Collect wrote:Godsmack have been added to the bill with Alice and Rob on the Gruesome Twosome Tour.
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Post by mattcoddington » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:28 pm

i think priority seating is a fantastic idea to include with a vip package. do we all know what 'vip' means?????

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Post by Dragonlady » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:46 pm

VIP seats is something that has been done for a while and I don't really mind. It's also not always fair, but most people can afford it. If you are a fan you're likely to spend the money. It's no different from going on a holiday or going skiing (both of which I don't, well concerts are my holidays)

The VIP package is something else. That's really to expensive to be acccessible to all. If that also includes general admission spots what is there left for the average fan?

I'm all for the Meet and Greet package, no problem. If you have the money or/and are willing to work hard to get a great souvenir, it's very cool. But I'd like to have the choice?

Call me weird but until recently I absolutely didn't want to meet Alice in real life. I have my reasons. Now it doesn't matter as much as before and I think it would be cool to say thanks some day. But just to say that once again I wish I had a choice? To me it's the music and the show that matters all the rest is just added luxury

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Post by ElectedPlus » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:50 pm

A front row spot isn't the making of a good Alice show for me, and any spot in the venue is good enough when he's performing. Although I usually go to the efforts of getting a barrier place but never been a 'have to' mission, and if for some reason I don't make it - nothing much is lost, and something is gained which would otherwise would be lost.

This reminds me of leaving early on a Dirty Diamonds gig to catch a last coach and turning around half way on exiting to see the stage as it is designed for - from a distance, all in one go and surrounded by a crowd of people that are there for Alice. It seemed bizarre that somehow this huge crowd is near forgotten about when up front when seeing only the business end and hardly much else. I stood between where I was at the front and the exit near the back and was surprised but how different the stage looked than what I had been experiencing up front. It's something sacrificed when on the barrier, which is as nearly as much (sometimes more... depending on the person) about being seen as it is about watching. A few rows back and it's all about the viewing and taking it all in from one shot .. detail is lost back there but you get a different over-all impression of the show which is lost when up-front.

There's certain things that are gained and sacrificed wherever you watch - there's no 'perfect' which has all this. So really - this doesn't bother me that much, despite usually going to alot of effort getting that place.

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Post by Si » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:49 pm

mattcoddington wrote:i think priority seating is a fantastic idea to include with a vip package. do we all know what 'vip' means?????
Why is someone with more disposible cash more important?

Maybe they should be VRP tickets.

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Post by Ravenred » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:54 am

mattcoddington wrote:i think priority seating is a fantastic idea to include with a vip package. do we all know what 'vip' means?????
Very important person! Or rather someone who has the cash to pay to be one for an hour. I have been following Alice since 1989 & paid for this once to guarantee to meet him backstage & get some items signed & a few photos a tshirt etc. I would not expect this to include a pass to jump the queue. I saw several VIPs at the UK shows who showed up at 6.30pm & thought it was their right to walk up to the front & jump the queue. As i've previously said if you want to get to the front at a GA show then do your time & get there early.
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Post by Jumping Jack » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:18 am

The POTUS is screwing rich and successful people big time. Who cares if they get a break with tickets? They have earned it and are worthy. Coop deserves to get rich as well. Maybe the socialists should nationalize the music business as well and institute price controls. What do you think would happen to the quality of music then, LOL?

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