Goes To Hell........

Anything Alice Cooper or AC band related goes here

Moderators: Si, Gorehound, SickThings, Devon, Shoesalesman

User avatar
evil syd
Fashion Flusher
Fashion Flusher
Posts: 542
Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:21 am

Goes To Hell........

Post by evil syd » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:13 am

As times goes by, I find myself growing more and more fonder of "Goes To Hell". "Guilty" and "Wish You Were Here" are awesome rockers! ......But I still think "Chasing Rainbows" sucks! But I really like this album a lot! I'm guilty! :8):
DoCtOrS wAnT To ChEcK Me, PoKe Me, AnD DiSsEcT Me......

pitkin88
Dada God
Dada God
Posts: 3487
Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:25 am
Location: calif

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by pitkin88 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:16 am

It was as disappointing a follow up as MOL was to BDB's. It also had two of the worst Alice songs to date: Gotta Dance and I Am The Coolest.

killer wolf
Fashion Flusher
Fashion Flusher
Posts: 571
Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:26 am
Location: newcastle

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by killer wolf » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:24 am

top album. i love I Never Cry and Wake Me Gently, the fun of GIve The Kid a Break, the dark humour of the title track. cracking stuff.
KW
/X\oo/X\

User avatar
padre_sliprat
Billion Dollar Baby
Billion Dollar Baby
Posts: 452
Joined: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:40 pm

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by padre_sliprat » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:31 am

When I saw it on the shelf in 76, the recycled BDB photo for the cover was a let down.
You're a notch
and I'm a legend.

Babysquid
Billion Dollar Baby
Billion Dollar Baby
Posts: 348
Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:13 am

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by Babysquid » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:09 am

evil syd wrote:As times goes by, I find myself growing more and more fonder of "Goes To Hell". "Guilty" and "Wish You Were Here" are awesome rockers! ......But I still think "Chasing Rainbows" sucks! But I really like this album a lot! I'm guilty! :8):
Funny, I've gone the opposite way. It's got some good tracks but mostly it feels like a lion with its teeth pulled.

User avatar
Dannorama
Fashion Flusher
Fashion Flusher
Posts: 522
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:00 pm

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by Dannorama » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:35 pm

This album is an excellent candidate for the whole "white gloved" surround/vinyl remix/remaster treatment. I'll bet that the source tapes are figuratively at arms length. I wish that I could be there to witness them taking it apart, polishing each element, and putting it all together again. Forget celebrating anniversaries - they need to just do it because it's the right thing to do. HOPEFULLY they are planning on stuff like this for the golden anniversary.
Move aside, mere drop of water - let the ocean pass.

cooperrocks
Billion Dollar Baby
Billion Dollar Baby
Posts: 444
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:42 pm
Location: Tennessee

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by cooperrocks » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:37 pm

I love all eras of Alice and actually slightly prefer much of Alice's solo work to even the original band, but I always thought this was one of Alice's weaker albums at least compared to WTMN. There are a few really strong tracks on this album but I never thought the songs were there. It was a bit too mellow in too many spots for my personal liking and while Alice has always been about dark humor, most of these songs are more comedy than anything else.

Toronto Bob
Dada God
Dada God
Posts: 886
Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:01 am
Location: Toronto, Canada

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by Toronto Bob » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:26 pm

I was introduced to this album by my older cousin, around the time of it's release. I only had to other AC records at the time. BDB and MoL, and I loved it. I thought it was a very wide ranging record and wasn't put off by You Gotta Dance at all. Still love this album but in retrospect I wish they would have worked in "IHT" (I read that it was written around that time) would have fit in and gave the album another heavier tune and drop one of the weaker tracks.

User avatar
Shoesalesman
Little Mermaid
Little Mermaid
Posts: 15078
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:39 pm
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Contact:

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by Shoesalesman » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:31 pm

In my top ten. Cannot emphasize how excellent this album is. Great melodies, fond memories.
If I may put forward a slice of personal colostomy...

mr.barlow
Dada God
Dada God
Posts: 917
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:08 pm

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by mr.barlow » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:48 am

This album keeps creeping up my list of favorite Alice albums. The production is stellar! One of Ezrin's finest.

"I'm The Coolest" has always been one of my favorite Alice songs and contains one of my favorite Alice lyrics; "you can't leave a package like me sittin on no shelf".

I will agree that "You Gotta Dance" is the weak point of the album. I think it was written to be a part of the stage show, possibly to replace "Some Folks" for the dancing skeletons routine--which I think would have also have been a mistake.

"I'm Always Chasing Rainbows" I always figured was Alice tipping his hat to vaudeville. I remember my father upon hearing me play this song ask "Is that Alice Cooper?" He then said "my God that was your grandmother's favorite song when she was younger!". My grandmother was born in 1899! Yes--she actually saw it performed in vaudeville houses!

MVS 1009
Trash
Trash
Posts: 15
Joined: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:33 pm

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by MVS 1009 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:21 am

For me 'Goes To Hell' would be in my top ten ACG / Alice solo recordings. Probably squeezing in at number ten!

Even though a radical departure from the ACG sound and a much softer tone compared to WTMN I personally think it highlights his talent in his writing ability and story telling accompanied by great lyrics within a wide diversity of songs and styles.

I agree there definitely appears a tip of the hat to vaudeville and Hollywood and 'You Gotta Dance' would never be at the top of my play list but as an album I think it is very underrated. A real shame that it never appeared in its entirety as a stage show such as WTMN as I think it could have been a visual delight and the songs and theme could have been demonstrated in a very 'Broadway' style show.

User avatar
Model Citizen
Humanary Stew
Humanary Stew
Posts: 63
Joined: Tue May 24, 2011 7:36 am
Location: Alabama

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by Model Citizen » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:51 pm

I love it. Honestly, I think the "storyline" is more cohesive than its predecessor and I really love the musical diversity. I don't mind "You Gotta Dance" and I love "I'm The Coolest". Those early years of Alice's solo career might be a bit on the cabaret end of the spectrum but I appreciate that Alice, Bob and Dick wrote without much regard for maybe what was expected.

killer wolf
Fashion Flusher
Fashion Flusher
Posts: 571
Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:26 am
Location: newcastle

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by killer wolf » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:39 pm

padre_sliprat wrote:When I saw it on the shelf in 76, the recycled BDB photo for the cover was a let down.
was there a specific reason for that, rather than new art?
KW
/X\oo/X\

pitkin88
Dada God
Dada God
Posts: 3487
Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:25 am
Location: calif

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by pitkin88 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:49 pm

killer wolf wrote:
padre_sliprat wrote:When I saw it on the shelf in 76, the recycled BDB photo for the cover was a let down.
was there a specific reason for that, rather than new art?

No doubt cost played a part.

mr.barlow
Dada God
Dada God
Posts: 917
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:08 pm

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by mr.barlow » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:39 am

I always thought the back cover art would have made a great front cover as it would have represented the tone and style of the album much better than the garish green recycled Alice.

Alice has had many major album cover fails over his career including the new album Paranormal, while at the same time has given us some of the best like School's Out, Welcome To My Nightmare and Dada.

I can somewhat forgive the MCA covers as the material somewhat matches the covers and the budget was slim, b ut Goes To Hell was likely made with a great budget as Alice was coming off a huge success with WTMN.

But it could be the case that after Shep found away around Warner Bros to release WTMN on Atlantic, WB may have had the knives out for Alice. I often wonder if WB slowly pulled the rug out from Alice and tanked his career after that end around by Shep.

Toronto Bob
Dada God
Dada God
Posts: 886
Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:01 am
Location: Toronto, Canada

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by Toronto Bob » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:57 am

yeah WB tanked his career :grin:

mr.barlow
Dada God
Dada God
Posts: 917
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:08 pm

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by mr.barlow » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:25 am

It was no secret that the relationship between Shep and the label was never the best from day one. The WTMN end-around also deprived WB of one of Alice's most successful albums.

It's apparent that Alice's albums started becoming more uneven after WTMN and his personal life and addictions were also doing incredible harm to his career. I'm not blaming WB but I am saying that the label may have put up with another artist in similar circumstances had they had a better relationship.

It's my opinion that if WB had properly backed Flush The Fashion and dumped some money into it and heavily promoted ALice's new persona it could have been a huge hit and Alice could have navigated the early 1980s with ease. But then again--he was getting himself into some major problems with the freebasing. I think at that point, WB decided to pull the plug on a relationship that was never that great in the first place.

But in the end--it all comes down to money. Alice was no longer worth the investment considering the risk involved. He was becoming an unreliable wreck. To me the 1980-1983 years are my favroite period, but I think it would be safe to say that Alice would just rather forget them completely.

Thank God he turned it around. I'm sure WB was glad too as it has done wonders for the back catalog--especially the original band albums.

Mr.Bluelegs
Billion Dollar Baby
Billion Dollar Baby
Posts: 261
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:35 am

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by Mr.Bluelegs » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:15 am

My take on GTH- Side 1 works great for me. Wouldn't change a thing. For Side 2, I'd definetly replace
"Give the Kid a Break" and "Chasing Rainbows" with two solid rockers. "Give the Kid..." seems like his first foray into his humorous/ silly side of songwriting. Just doesn't work for me. Some amazing and overlooked songs like "I'm Going Home" and "Didn't We Meet". Great production and engineering although some tracks have a bit too much reverb on the drums. As for the cover, I think the green tinted BDB-era photo works well and the back cover, as Mr. Barlow stated, would've been a great front cover. The hit single, "I Never Cry" is plain fantastic and contains one of the greatest lines ever written- "Sometimes I drink more than I need."

pitkin88
Dada God
Dada God
Posts: 3487
Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:25 am
Location: calif

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by pitkin88 » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:17 am

mr.barlow wrote:I always thought the back cover art would have made a great front cover as it would have represented the tone and style of the album much better than the garish green recycled Alice.

Alice has had many major album cover fails over his career including the new album Paranormal, while at the same time has given us some of the best like School's Out, Welcome To My Nightmare and Dada.

I can somewhat forgive the MCA covers as the material somewhat matches the covers and the budget was slim, b ut Goes To Hell was likely made with a great budget as Alice was coming off a huge success with WTMN.

But it could be the case that after Shep found away around Warner Bros to release WTMN on Atlantic, WB may have had the knives out for Alice. I often wonder if WB slowly pulled the rug out from Alice and tanked his career after that end around by Shep.
I think it would have turned people off. It was Alice with no make up and he looks a bit too nice. I think it was another attempt to change his image. 75 -76 we started seeing him tanned and even sporting a mustache. Then we had him without make up again on LAW.

mr.barlow
Dada God
Dada God
Posts: 917
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:08 pm

Re: Goes To Hell........

Post by mr.barlow » Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:48 pm

"Mustache Alice" would make a great name for a band!

Post Reply