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Yea, because those Desmond Child hit songs never did anything for anybody.guttertrash wrote:and if Alice did not have the background that he already had and Trash was instead a debut by some new band, it would have gotten little to no promotion and would have been swept under the rug along with 85% of the other bands of that era...if lucky, it would have been in the same realm as Trixter or Britny Fox.
Didn`t he write for her as well? Rings a bell hahapitkin88 wrote:Desmond Child was just horrible. Sanitized bland corporate vomit. He is about as rock n roll as Celine Dion.
Not because of the topless chick in the video?guttertrash wrote:Alice released 4 singles off Trash. Poison hit #7. The others didn't even crack the top 50 in the U.S. The only reason Poison hit #7 was because the label promoted Alice because of who he was. If it had been a new band releasing that song in 1989, it would have gotten lost in the sea of mediocrity just like the rest of his singles from that album.
Here are 20 albums of cheesy rock from 1989 alone that I'd listen to over Trash.Spiner202 wrote:I know a lot of people don't like Trash, but I listen to a ton of glam metal, and Trash is easily one of the best albums in the style. There's maybe 3 albums that are better in that style (first two Skid Row + Dokken's Under Lock and Key). Most other bands don't even come close to how brilliant Trash is.
Spiner202 wrote:I know a lot of people don't like Trash, but I listen to a ton of glam metal, and Trash is easily one of the best albums in the style. There's maybe 3 albums that are better in that style (first two Skid Row + Dokken's Under Lock and Key). Most other bands don't even come close to how brilliant Trash is.
Sure, Billion Dollar Babies was their "slickest" recording to date with "slickest" meaning "commercial-appeal production", however it was perfect to bring the band to the masses and top 40 radio. Yet the album sounds ferocious - the powerful reverb-drenched opening of "Hello Hooray", the punchy drum sound on "Billion" , and the great mix of acoustic and electric guitar on "Generation Landslide" to cite only a few examples. I think some of the more commercial songs like "No More Mr. NG" lead some people to believe the production was too slick. I would hardly call the production sterile. The album was a perfect combination of shock rock and bucking for the mainstream. The bombast would have been lost on "Sick Things" and " I Love the Dead" if the production was "dryer" and not produced the way it was when released. I think it's more of the arrangements and instruments used that make a recording sound slick. A good example is the Welcome to My Nightmare album where the title track utilizes a lot of horns and acoustic guitars (which lends to a slick sound) and on the opposite side, "The Black Widow" which just flat out rocks and uses electric guitars as the core sound.guttertrash wrote:Bob Ezrin has been sterile since Billion Dollar Babies, and some say School's out. I agree that it was slick, but I think BDB was the first that was a over-the-top. I don't blame the band for working with Jack Douglas either. He is a killer producer. Sadly Muscle Of Love just sounds rushed or not fully realized. And considering that it was their 5th release in 3 years and was recorded on the heels of their largest release and tour, it makes sense that they were exhausted and not in top songwriting form.
As far as Ezrin, he also sterilized KISS with Destroyer and Pink Floyd with The Wall. Those albums as well as School's Out and Billion Dollar Babies all have songs that overcome his production though. I can't think of an album he has produced outside of Killer that is produced all that great actually.
Regarding GB's guitar tone on School's Out do you know for sure that's how he got that sound? Have you heard it somewhere or are you making an assumption? I only ask because that doesn't sound like tape saturation to me. It sounds more like a fuzz box ( which we know Glen sometimes used) or overdriving the preamp on the desk.guttertrash wrote:I feel like instrument tones are a major player in the sterility and During the pre-digital era, a lot went into recording compared to now even though, some people still do record analog. A big thing with tape is that you can get some insanely cool sounds out of it by the approach you use for recording. Such as with GB's guitar on School's Out for instance, they redlined the recording which made it clip, but on tape, it broke it up into a dirty, fuzzy crackling tone. It's still a pretty slick sounding album, but it still used some pretty interesting techniques that made for some gnarly tones. On Billion Dollar Babies, the tones are extremely clean and slick, and there is very little if any kind of raunchy sounds like you had on School's Out and before it. So in my opinion, it is more sterile. I love the album, but I think it could have had some gnarly moments with different tones.
Who cares?guttertrash wrote:Here are 20 albums of cheesy rock from 1989 alone that I'd listen to over Trash.Spiner202 wrote:I know a lot of people don't like Trash, but I listen to a ton of glam metal, and Trash is easily one of the best albums in the style. There's maybe 3 albums that are better in that style (first two Skid Row + Dokken's Under Lock and Key). Most other bands don't even come close to how brilliant Trash is.
1. Tesla - The Great Radio Controversy
2. Roxx Gang - Things You've Done Before
3. Great White - ...Twice Shy
4. Skid Row - Skid Row
5. The Cult - Sonic Temple
6. Disneyland After Dark – No Fuel Left For The Pilgrims
7. Blue Murder -Blue Murder
8. Junkyard - Junkyard
9. Badlands - Badlands
10. Shark Island - Law Of The Order
11. Britny Fox - Boys In Heat (Even though it sounds like a Cinderella ripoff)
12. L.A. Guns - Cocked And Loaded
13. Faster Pussycat - Wake Me When It's Over
14. The Dogs D'Amour - Errol Flynn
15. Michael Monroe - Not Fakin' It
16. Sea Hags - Sea Hags
17. Rock City Angels - Young Man's Blues
18. Sleeze Beez - Screwed Blued & Tattooed
19. The Almighty - Blood, Fire, & Love
20. Backstreet Girls - Party On Elm Street
A ton of people would more than likely throw Aerosmith's Pump and Motley Crue's Dr. Feelgood in there also.
If that's the case cool. My suspicion is that he was probably referring to overdriving the preamp on the tape machine which is not the same as saturating the tape. Getting that sort of distortion from tape saturation is really going the long way round and I don't think that's Bob's way.A_MichaelUK wrote:From Babysquid:
"Regarding GB's guitar tone on School's Out do you know for sure that's how he got that sound? Have you heard it somewhere or are you making an assumption?"
I think there is an interview out there with Bob Ezrin where he says that's what happened.
