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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by A_MichaelUK » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:35 pm

>A serious question, do you feel that's reason enough to cut out nearly 30 years of his career?

What would you have liked to have seen excluded to make space for the material you're referring to?

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Post by leightonrees » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:40 pm

I was at the Bristol showing last night too (attendee #10 of 12 !).

I loved the film and the old 'animated' photos and footage were just brilliant. Hardly any use of standard/stock stuff that's normally brought out on such occasions.

The soundtrack was great, especially when Hello Hurray filled the auditorium; brought a cold shiver to the back of the neck !

Like others on this list, was a bit surprised when it ended all too quickly with the Nightmare Returns, but on reflection it's a good place to stop.

Great film and congratulations to everyone involved in bringing to us.

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by steven_crayn » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:50 pm

the most interesting thing about Alice Cooper was the 1970s it was the golden era the best records were in that decade and even though as a solo artist he still put on great shows after 86, the last nearly 30 years are of no great consequence in the great scheme of things.

As for Michael Bruce, as I said before some people are not going to let it go and if I was Michael Bruce I'd be pretty pissed off I didn't get a mention but that's showbiz folks its not always fair.
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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by A_MichaelUK » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:53 pm

>the last nearly 30 years are of no great consequence in the great scheme of things.

I wouldn't go that far - at least two of his best albums (in my opinion) were released during that time and if anything, it has been his career since then which has cemented his iconic status as opposed to being a forgotten figure which is almost what happened.

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by wind_up_toy » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:56 pm

A_MichaelUK wrote:>A serious question, do you feel that's reason enough to cut out nearly 30 years of his career?

What would you have liked to have seen excluded to make space for the material you're referring to?
I'm not in a position to comment as I haven't seen the film yet.

I'm thoroughly looking forward to it but I know the drill, the minutes will fly by and I'll be expecting (or at least I had been expecting) it to progress through his entire career. Before I know it, 90 minutes or so have passed and it ends in 1986 as quickly as it started.

It's not a criticsim at all, just romantic expectation. Just like we have to accept the hits at his live shows we also have to accept that most the juicy bits of Alice's career reside in the distant past. He still offers much now though and I think his longetivity needs to be celebrated. Perhaps it does, I look forward to finding out :)
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Post by steven_crayn » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:07 pm

Alice Cooper did enough as a band/solo artist in the 1970s to be considered legendary, obviously I'm glad he kept going after that time but for me there hasn't been a ground breaking album since that decade, some very good albums and tours but basically the music industry changed for the worse as soon as 1970s were over, it's been downhill ever since, kids today care more about some poxy computer game than a band.

Music dont mean that much anymore it's the X Factor generation, a pathetic indictment of the 21st Century.
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Post by wind_up_toy » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:18 pm

I didn't hear Alice till '88!

I personally think the music industry went into major decline at the turn of the millennium.
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Post by mestreech » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:55 am

I am very happy I get a chance to see this in a big cinema with good sound. I don't care if I'm the only one being there. This is a once in a lifetime oppertunity.

And I think that the end with poison is perfect. As Si stated earlier there wasn't very much left to show about. :rock:

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Post by mestreech » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:14 am

Is the whole song ALL STRAPPED UP in the movie?

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by VinceRaven » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:04 am

No, a chunk of the video is but I don't think any of the audio from it is on there.

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by Gunner » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:33 am

If they were going to end it 'prematurely' in the 86 (which I don't have too much of an issue with incidentally), I think they could have at least taken his revival up three years to Trash being a massive success. Just a thought.

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by Gunner » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:16 am

What if Michael Bruce didn't want any part of it? Has that occured to anyone?

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by concolz » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:17 am

As I didn't get to see the movie, due to ill-health unfortunately, I obviously can't comment yet on its merits or otherwise. I'm looking forward though to buying the deluxe edition, hopefully at a reasonable price!

I've really enjoyed reading the comments, and it's always interesting how people perceive 'their' Alice Cooper. I've no idea what MB's current relationship with AC is really like, but even if he didn't want to 'be found' that shouldn't prevent the film makers from referencing him.

I'm glad the movie has encouraged some here to re-visit PFY and EA. I've always thought these were neglected garage-rock classics, right up there with the stuff that The Sonics, The Seeds, Standells etc. were producing, and many of the tracks could easily fit on the 'Nuggets' or 'Pebbles' compilations. (Incidentally, Julian Cope is a big supporter of early ACG and there are some brilliant articles on his Head Heritage site. Search the 'unsung' reviews section: http://www.headheritage.co.uk./unsung/reviews/)

As for there not being anything of 'great consequence' over the last thirty years, I beg to differ. For starters there's his Christianity, which has underpinned everything he's done since the early 90's. I also think he's produced a few excellent albums during this period - BP, for one - which rank with the 70's output.

To finish, here's a great article that sums things up. (I love how she gives the movie five guillotines instead of five stars!!)

http://www.agirlonthego.wordpress.com/alice-cooper/

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Post by Si » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:26 am

concolz wrote: As for there not being anything of 'great consequence' over the last thirty years, I beg to differ. For starters there's his Christianity, which has underpinned everything he's done since the early 90's. I also think he's produced a few excellent albums during this period - BP, for one - which rank with the 70's output.
True, but the point is this is a movie, so has to end on some kind of "high". To then add things like that would bring it back down again. Sure, they are ways to bring it back up but I can understand the decision to end when they did. The roller coaster ride was over.
Plus you can`t avoid the fact that people are less interested, in general, in stuff after that point.

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by wind_up_toy » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:35 am

I have no problem with the point you're making Si.

It's amazing to me that the whole time I've followed Alice is not covered but that merely underlines what an astonishing (and long) career he's had. I only wish I was there for his heyday but will use this film as an opportunity to feel part of it.

One of the great strengths of this site is understanding the history better from people who were there at the time.
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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by Gunner » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:37 am

I think it ended fine, after 1986 it was pretty much more of the same, although personally I would have nudged it up to Trash where Alice Cooper became very successful again - a real high - but that's just my opinion.

Re Bruce again: what was about the film that he was omitted from exactly?

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by Si » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:46 am

Gunner wrote:I think it ended fine, after 1986 it was pretty much more of the same, although personally I would have nudged it up to Trash where Alice Cooper became very successful again - a real high - but that's just my opinion.
I don`t disagree, but to be honest it wouldn`t have made much difference as they would have just showed a clip from Trashes The World instead of NR! The way the film is constructed going on to Trash would probably have only added a minute or two at best.
But again, it wasn`t about the music but the man, and in that regard you are right, after NR it was "more of the same" just bigger for a short time.

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by Gunner » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:57 am

I agree Si, but I was thinking just after the NR clip they could have shown a clip from Poison video (or something) and mentioned the very big hit album and single (on the level of the early-to-mid 70s)...I think that would have been a perfect high ending...but I'm being a touch pendantic, although the song Poison in the cinemas would have gone a blast!

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by A_MichaelUK » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:06 am

>I've no idea what MB's current relationship with AC is really like,

It looks like I have to say this again: that has nothing to do with the exclusion.

>but even if he didn't want to 'be found' that shouldn't prevent the film makers from referencing him.

I don't disagree but it was their project and therefore it was their prerogative to decide on that.

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Re: it really is Super Duper

Post by Gunner » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:54 am

Sorry about this, I DID see the film (and was totally engrossed) but can't recall what the exclusion was other than a vocal contribution à la Neal, Sheryl, Dennis etc - or did I miss something?

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