Re: Ship of Fear
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:41 pm
Do you think there's a specific reason why he's been in the UK 3 years on the trot Andy?
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Wow! You sure do like to argue. Well, I don't and this will be my last response:A_MichaelUK wrote:>It's just ridiculous to think, that he wanted to do that tour and didn't because of two shows on a ship.
You already said that and besides, I'm not sure anyone here made that claim. You brought it up yesterday in your post.
cherrypie wrote:
I can see why Penny is excited, she is hoping for another AC Halloween UK tour..AND I hope we get it! Penny
Exactly.
I see, thanks for clarifying. Long may it continue!A_MichaelUK wrote:>Do you think there's a specific reason why he's been in the UK 3 years on the trot Andy?
Yes. The idea was to associate Alice with Halloween in a country where Halloween is not particularly popular. It had nothing to do with Britain's specific geography. This country was the obvious choice given Alice's history with it and his relative popularity.
I hope so. It's always magical seeing Alice perform at Halloween. The crowd love it and he always seems to have some extra bounce in his performances at Halloween.wind_up_toy wrote:I see, thanks for clarifying. Long may it continue!A_MichaelUK wrote:>Do you think there's a specific reason why he's been in the UK 3 years on the trot Andy?
Yes. The idea was to associate Alice with Halloween in a country where Halloween is not particularly popular. It had nothing to do with Britain's specific geography. This country was the obvious choice given Alice's history with it and his relative popularity.
I hope so. It's always magical seeing Alice perform at Halloween. The crowd love it and he always seems to have some extra bounce in his performances at Halloween.wind_up_toy wrote:I see, thanks for clarifying. Long may it continue!A_MichaelUK wrote:>Do you think there's a specific reason why he's been in the UK 3 years on the trot Andy?
Yes. The idea was to associate Alice with Halloween in a country where Halloween is not particularly popular. It had nothing to do with Britain's specific geography. This country was the obvious choice given Alice's history with it and his relative popularity.
Actually, my clients are all at the younger end of the spectrum - up to mid 20s and the reason they want to book so far in advance is precisely because they are not "affluent" and want to make the payments on such a trip more affordable for themselves. I'm not saying spur of the moment decisions don't happen but I have certainly found that the more expensive a trip is, the further in advance someone will book.PatrickS77 wrote:And who does that?? People near retiring age, who either are more planning and are more affluent to pay for something, which happens in one year's time, in advance. Younger people (and I'm assuming that the target audience of a rock/horror icons cruise is younger) are more spur of the moment and decide 3 to 4 months or even closer to the date that the want to go somewhere.sparkinthedark wrote:As to the comment that they should have left it up for sale until nearer the date I'm not sure that this would have worked. I work in the travel industry and the bookings that we usually see are normally a year in advance of travel.
sparkinthedark wrote:Add to that the fact that suppliers often face cancellation fees with THEIR suppliers.. maybe the operator didn't want to risk that happening to them by leaving time to tick along with no guarantee of any further sales.
I would venture (though I am not certain) that the decision to cancel will have been taken in conjunction with the cruise operator and the sponsor. All parties I am sure will have wanted the trip to go ahead but there comes a time when they need to make a business decision on it. Entertainment Cruise Productions offer many different types of music-themed cruises and so I'd be prepared to trust their judgement on whether there was enough current demand and also whether they considered that they could hold out longer on the offchance that more people would book.PatrickS77 wrote:True. But they should have taken into consideration that many people do not want to pay that long in advance and might book closer to the date. But then again, maybe they did and it was a total failure either way.
PatrickS77 wrote:Wow! You sure do like to argue. Well, I don't and this will be my last response:A_MichaelUK wrote:>It's just ridiculous to think, that he wanted to do that tour and didn't because of two shows on a ship.
You already said that and besides, I'm not sure anyone here made that claim. You brought it up yesterday in your post.
cherrypie wrote:
I can see why Penny is excited, she is hoping for another AC Halloween UK tour..AND I hope we get it! Penny
Exactly.
So there you have it. I just infers: No ship, so he'll tour in the UK.
To which I say, had he wanted to do that tour, he wouldn't have committed to the ship in the first place. So this cancellation doesn't change a thing, other than some people, who had already booked, being let down and probably out of money. So there is no reason to be happy about the cancellation... it's just selfish really.
YEAH, great (but unlikely) idea Steven!!!could even call it the tour that never came here 40 years ago because of the fuel crisis? Billion Dollar Babies 40th anniversary UK Holiday Tour 2013 could even get Dennis, Neal and Michael involved.
That old chestnut!
I think calling it a 'rich people's event' is a bit silly. There are plenty of rock related cruises and the clientele are far from what would be described as rich people.steven_crayn wrote:this ship of fear thing was a rich people's event and there isn't much sympathy for anyone with a load of money even if they were a real fan and wanted to see Alice Cooper on a cruise ship,
Silly? you are missing the Irony of "rich peoples event" it's all relative but you needed more money to go on that cruise than the average Alice Cooper fan could afford.RemarkablyInsincere wrote:I think calling it a 'rich people's event' is a bit silly. There are plenty of rock related cruises and the clientele are far from what would be described as rich people.steven_crayn wrote:this ship of fear thing was a rich people's event and there isn't much sympathy for anyone with a load of money even if they were a real fan and wanted to see Alice Cooper on a cruise ship,
KISS has done two very successful cruises and if an Alice cruise were modeled similarly, the reception among Sickthings would have been quite different. Although, there might not be big enough demand to pull something like that off with the fan base, unfortunately.
I imagine he means a cruise centered around Alice, not a "Ship of Fear" with a performance from Alice. The KISS cruises have included an outdoor acoustic concert by KISS for everyone; two indoor, full-makeup shows for everyone (half one night, half the next); photo opportunities, and other KISS-related events. It's a full-on KISS event with at least two performances for all attendees.steven_crayn wrote: I don't know what the Kiss ones cost but when you say "modeled similarly" are you talking the same price?
Who says? I think it's more accurate to say that people didn't think the Ship of Fear was worth what they were charging, given an apparent performance from Alice (and no mention of any other interaction) and a string of less-than-spectacular horror stars. A different cruise---one centered around Alice with significant Alice involvement---could well be very successful.It's also pretty silly to imply that Alice hasn't got a big enough fan base, when it's really just a question of most people couldn't afford the sought of dough Ship Of Fear was gonna cost.
I think it's quite affordable to many Alice fans. I see plenty of Alice fans that fly from one continent to another to see shows. I could "afford" it if I really wanted to do it. My wife might not be so thrilled, however.steven_crayn wrote: Silly? you are missing the Irony of "rich peoples event" it's all relative but you needed more money to go on that cruise than the average Alice Cooper fan could afford.
I don't know if he does or doesn't to be honest. The only reason I mentioned it is because KISS plays to much larger audiences. The other rock cruises I'm aware of have many bands, rather than being dedicated to one artist. So I don't know the answer to that one, I can only surmise.steven_crayn wrote: It's also pretty silly to imply that Alice hasn't got a big enough fan base,
Again, I think it's been mentioned several times already that many of us didn't seriously consider the cruise because it didn't offer anything more to the Alice fan than we can experience if we simply attend a regular Alice Cooper show for much less money. Rather than spend over a thousand to catch one Alice show on a boat, I can attend more than a few other shows this year in other locations.steven_crayn wrote: when it's really just a question of most people couldn't afford the sought of dough Ship Of Fear was gonna cost.
You see plenty of Alice fans flying across the continent eh? but they are not your average fan and it's your average fan that generates the most revenue for a band as the die hard fans are a minority.RemarkablyInsincere wrote: I think it's quite affordable to many Alice fans. I see plenty of Alice fans that fly from one continent to another to see shows. I could "afford" it if I really wanted to do it. My wife might not be so thrilled, however.
Also, afford is a very relative term also, there's a wonderful (or not) invention called the credit card that people seem to make use of. Many people buy things they technically cannot "afford" but they still do.
I don't know if he does or doesn't to be honest. The only reason I mentioned it is because KISS plays to much larger audiences. The other rock cruises I'm aware of have many bands, rather than being dedicated to one artist. So I don't know the answer to that one, I can only surmise.
Again, I think it's been mentioned several times already that many of us didn't seriously consider the cruise because it didn't offer anything more to the Alice fan than we can experience if we simply attend a regular Alice Cooper show for much less money. Rather than spend over a thousand to catch one Alice show on a boat, I can attend more than a few other shows this year in other locations.
Hunter has interpreted my post correctly. If Alice did a cruise similar to the KISS cruise dedicated solely to him with multiple shows, meet and greets, etc.... I would try to move heaven and earth to make it.
Imagine an Alice Cruise where he did an unplugged show, a solo show and then a reunion show and that was all included... and there was a meet n' greet photo opportunity included... and Alice trivia... and costume contests... etc.. etc.. That's along the lines of the KISS cruise.