The story of W2MN

[ElectedPlus]

joke or not, it's accurate! But the waking up to the nightmare thing is a good thought.

Speaking of the overture, there's one tune in it I can't figure out ... the piano piece that comes in at 3:13. What's playing?

[James1981]

joke or not, it's accurate! But the waking up to the nightmare thing is a good thought.

Speaking of the overture, there's one tune in it I can't figure out ... the piano piece that comes in at 3:13. What's playing?

Hey dude it's ghouls gone wild.

[ElectedPlus]

Thanks for clearing that up, it's so obvious now!

[Gunner]

On the surface, Brutal Planet is seen as a 'socially aware' concept, but essentially a Christian rock album at the heart of it. Quite often, Cooper is getting a message across in a rather disguised/indirect manner (which he was doing in the earlier years, but in a less 'conscious way'), so read 'between the lines' as well.

[MacQueen]

Or it could be just an overture of songs from both albums.

Do you know why I think that? Because that's what it is!

Don't be a downer. There's already too many on this site as it is.

Lol, I was only joking!

Apologies.

An explanation for my earlier post. Alice stated that he always had to give his character some kind of escape. To me, waking up dead isn't that much of an escape. lol.

Plus it would be pretty grim to have Alice kill off Steven in totality...unless Alice plans to have Steven come back from the dead in the next one. Assuming there will be a next one.

[homerx]

You never know Alice Cooper Goes 2 Hell could be next. Steven escaping with a Freddy's Dead kinda escape back into the real world.

I wonder if Alice ever wrote a Golf song. sort of a hatred of it if you will.

[Gunner]

But W2MN is essentially another 'hell' album isn't it? As is Dragontown and Goes to Hell - they are all pretty much the same story.

[homerx]

Who's says they can't retell that story in modern way.

Although from here you could really go in any direction with the next album. Continue the story or enter a new nightmare.I thing the albums have always been open to allow for any number of outcomes.

[Gunner]

Who's says they can't retell that story in modern way.

What, you mean from descending into Dante's Inferno to a picture of modern human society of greed, financial irresponsibility, bad temper, self-opiniated individualism, materialistic (scientifically and posession-wise), violent, exploitation of sex, debasing of language by advertisement and propaganda? Yes, that's the way the message should go I think; depict 'hell' as what we have created on this planet rather than to some allegorical place or dream-nightmare even.

[While Heaven Wept]

Who's says they can't retell that story in modern way.

What, you mean from descending into Dante's Inferno to a picture of modern human society of greed, financial irresponsibility, bad temper, self-opiniated individualism, materialistic (scientifically and posession-wise), violent, exploitation of sex, debasing of language by advertisement and propaganda? Yes, that's the way the message should go I think; depict 'hell' as what we have created on this planet rather than to some allegorical place or dream-nightmare even.

Didn't Alice already cover all of that on Brutal Planet?

[andyrew]

> Didn't Alice already cover all of that on Brutal Planet?

And Dragontown?

I don't think he should do another Nightmare after this. The time frame between 2 and 3 would be way too short PLUS, he has done the 2 album thing...*Along Came a Spider and W2MN. Now it's time for another couple...most likely 2 hard rock albums? But then again, he could shock us and do another concept album. I'd really like to see him do 2 hard rock albums for his next one that are loosely based around a concept and for the last one, he can finish off the Nightmare Trilogy that brings together the styles from the first and second.

[homerx]

Didn't Alice already cover all of that on Brutal Planet?

Brutal Planet I think so

[Gunner]

Didn't Alice already cover all of that on Brutal Planet?

Not really, kind of, but, all kind of fictional. Dragontown the same. That IS how society is already, we don't need some sort of apocalyptic vision, or some sort of allegorical representation of this fictional place we MAY end up in.

[MacQueen]

I want Alice to build from this and create new stuff with Dennis, Neil, Michael, and Steve. To actually achieve that classic early 70's feel. It could be polished or raw for all I care, just as long as it continues to sound better and have better quality than Dirty Diamonds

But on the other hand, if that's it for Dennis, Michael, Neal and Steve I'm cool with that. Alice Cooper has always been more than just the sum of it's parts. It's unfortunate that some people cannot see that and are stuck in the past.

[Gunner]

Alice Cooper IS more than the sum of the parts (like anything is that lives of course), I have been saying this for years. I would like Alice to work with Dennis, Neal and Michael again, I still think that's where the REAL chemistry is with the Alice Cooper concept.

[Twiggy5Manson]

I think after the 3 tracks on this record, a whole album with the original line-up is the way to go for the next one.