Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

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Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by Gunner » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:08 pm

"Anybody that would shoot that (pointing to a deer) should be shot themsleves"

"And on the menu? In honour of me, Paul [McCartney] would have a big thick steak that night,"

Incidentally, why on earth would anyone want to inflict someone with something they object to and find barbaric? That's the bit I don't get.

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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by A_MichaelUK » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:53 am

>Incidentally, why on earth would anyone want to inflict someone with something they object to and find barbaric? That's the bit I don't get.

You're not supposed to take everything he says seriously.

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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by Gunner » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:03 am

True. I do tend to forget about 'Alice speak', or to use the more technical term: bullshit ;) :rotfl:

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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by RemarkablyInsincere » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:49 pm

:laugh:
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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by Dave Conway » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:10 pm

I think the 'deer comment' was on the Sunday morning news review show on 31 October (correct me if I'm wrong). I agree with Andy, I don't think it was in anyway serious and just a bit of fun or provoking a laugh. I raised my eye brows...but only gently!
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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by Lisacooper91 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:27 pm

I totally agreed with Alice when he said it, but I eat meat as well...

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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by Gorehound » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:16 am

It depends on why the deer is shot, if it's for meat then I like venison so that's ok but if it's a trophy killing just to stuff and mount, what a waste! So I would have to agree with Alice, in that case they should be shot :p
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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by Gunner » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:35 pm

The deer comment was fine, but ramming a steak down a vegan's throat is not. But like Andy says, I don't think Alice meant it. If he did, he would go down in my estimation by about a factor of 100!!
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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by Gunner » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:42 pm

It depends on why the deer is shot, if it's for meat then I like venison so that's ok
So murdering it, injesting it and having your stomach as a graveyard for it (despite there being a billion and one other things to eat and this is an endangered species) is more righteous than murdering it and stuffing and mounting it? Interesting. We humans are mighty important things aren't we?

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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by A_MichaelUK » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:23 pm

>If he did, he would go down in my estimation by about a factor of 100!!

Are you seriously telling us that after all these years, you still don’t understand his sense of humour?!

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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by pitkin88 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:41 pm

A deer is an endangered animal?

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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by recoop » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:25 pm

Serious topic but maybe Alice being remarkably insincere(although my sympathies are with the deer)
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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by RemarkablyInsincere » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:44 pm

Truly amazing to me that anyone would take this seriously.

Do you honestly think Paul McCartney is going to eat a steak under any circumstances? Paul wouldn't eat a steak if the Queen of England served it to him.
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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by RemarkablyInsincere » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:45 pm

pitkin88 wrote:A deer is an endangered animal?
That's what I was wondering.
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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by GNDM » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:05 pm

Alice Cooper....god-father of shock rock. The macabre singer with the "split" personality. The guy with a stage show that includes guillotines, swords, dead babies, the electric chairs, fake blood, boa constrictors and straight jackets. A band that EMPHASIZED violence and death......

Could that guy actually have an odd sense of humor, in real life????

Gunner, it may be time to re-evaluate your choice of "idols". Maybe Graham Nash, Joan Baez, or Peter, Paul, and Mary are more in your line.

(No offense to any of the above performers)

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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by recoop » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:11 pm

Hey GNDM, Alice or Vince also likes the Carpenters and John Barry music..oh and Burt Baccarach..split personality times 10..ha...maybe Peter, Pual and Mary have a dark side..maybe Peter sometimes calls himself Pete :clap:
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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by Maurice » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:42 pm

That reminds me, last Christmas someone down the pub offered me eight legs of Venison, for forty quid . . . do you think that's too deer?
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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by NotSoPerfect » Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:07 am

RemarkablyInsincere wrote:
pitkin88 wrote:A deer is an endangered animal?
That's what I was wondering.
No, it's not. No endangered animal would have legal, yearly hunting seasons.

As far as the comment, it was an "ideal" dinner, and he was saying something that Paul might do in his honor. He wasn't serious, and it certainly did NOT indicate he was going to "ram it down [Paul's] throat." That's certainly taking the context of Alice's statement, misinterpreting it, and then going to the extreme.
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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by A_MichaelUK » Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:54 am

>That's certainly taking the context of Alice's statement, misinterpreting it, and then going to the extreme.

As you know, that *never* happens on this board.

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Re: Anyone spot the inconsistent reasoning?

Post by Gorehound » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:39 pm

Gunner wrote:
It depends on why the deer is shot, if it's for meat then I like venison so that's ok
So murdering it, injesting it and having your stomach as a graveyard for it (despite there being a billion and one other things to eat and this is an endangered species) is more righteous than murdering it and stuffing and mounting it? Interesting. We humans are mighty important things aren't we?
We're part of the food chain just like any other animal. For what it's worth no I don't think we're as 'mighty important' as most of us like to think and I believe the lives of animals are equal to the life of any human which is why I am definitely against hunting for sport. However when it comes to survival it's a dog eat dog world. People kill people in struggles for survival. People kill animals in a struggle for survival. Animals kill animals in a struggle for survival.

Meat is a natural part of our diet just as it is a natural part of a big cat's diet, or a wolf's or a bear's (or most importantly a ferret's :p). Therefore I don't see a problem with eating meat. The animal gives its life so that we might live. Trophy killings on the other hand I see as a pure waste of a life, same with the skin trade or poaching exotic animals for one little body part and leaving the rest of the corpse to rot.

I've always felt strongly about animal rights. I did a course in animal management and as you can imagine animal rights came up often. I did a lot of presentations and debates on the subject of hunting, animal testing, etc. I could go on and on but this is now off topic and thus not the place for it. However I'll happily carry on if you want to take it to pm or start a thread in off topic.

And if deer were endangered then no I wouldn't eat venison.
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