Whats better? ACAS or Dirty Diamonds

hywel · Post by **hywel** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:30 pm

steven_crayn wrote:
MacQueen wrote:
Speaking of which, has Ezrin produced anything lately?
I like what Greg and Danny have done on the new album and if Alice was to work with them again that would be a good step, but I also would love Alice to work with Bob Ezrin again as his best work was done with Bob who is one of the all time great producers and definitley my favourite producer who also brings a lot to the table as a co song writer.

Just look at his Alice co writer credits

Under My Wheels
My Stars
Grande Finale
Sick Things
I Love The Dead
Devil's Food
The Black Widow
Some Folks
Department Of Youth
Cold Ethyl
The Awakening
Go To Hell
You Gotta Dance
I'm The Coolest
Didn't We Meet
Give The Kid A Break
Guilty
Wake Me Gently
Wish You Were Here
Going Home
It's Hot Tonight
Lace & Whiskey
Road Rats
Damned If You Do
King of the Silver Screen
(No More) Love At Your Convenience
I Never Wrote Those Songs
My God
Da Da
Enough's Enough
Former Lee Warmer
No Man's Land
Dyslexia
Scarlet and Sheba
Fresh Blood
Blow Me A Kiss

In 2006 he produced The Deftones album Saturday Night Wrist and the Army of Anyone album of the same name as well as The Villebillies single Greatest Moment

in my opinion if you look between i love the dead and da da, he has written quite a bit of crap too.

steven_crayn · Post by **steven_crayn** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:37 pm

hywel wrote: in my opinion if you look between i love the dead and da da, he has written quite a bit of crap too.

So Hywel which of those songs from the period you mention don't you rate?

Devil's Food
The Black Widow
Some Folks
Department Of Youth
Cold Ethyl
The Awakening
Go To Hell
You Gotta Dance
I'm The Coolest
Didn't We Meet
Give The Kid A Break
Guilty
Wake Me Gently
Wish You Were Here
Going Home
It's Hot Tonight
Lace & Whiskey
Road Rats
Damned If You Do
King of the Silver Screen
(No More) Love At Your Convenience
I Never Wrote Those Songs
My God

I love them all

hywel · Post by **hywel** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:04 pm

steven_crayn wrote:
hywel wrote: in my opinion if you look between i love the dead and da da, he has written quite a bit of crap too.

So Hywel which of those songs from the period you mention don't you rate?

Some Folks
The Awakening
You Gotta Dance
I'm The Coolest
Give The Kid A Break
Guilty
It's Hot Tonight
Road Rats
Damned If You Do
King of the Silver Screen
(I Never Wrote Those Songs

there you go

Feezle-Nuts · Post by **Feezle-Nuts** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:06 pm

When you say you don't rate them, you mean these are the ones you don't like?

hywel · Post by **hywel** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:19 pm

Feezle-Nuts wrote:When you say you don't rate them, you mean these are the ones you don't like?

yes of course, they just dont do it for me. for instance i hate some folks, it is terrible just like im the coolest , you gotta dance, give the kid a break ahhhhhhhrgh it is so cheesy, and damned if you do sends shivers down my spine. sorry for ranting. kotsc and inwts are terrible in my opinion. guilty road rats and its hot tonight are just about bearable.

Shoesalesman · Post by **Shoesalesman** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:19 pm

MacQueen wrote:Speaking of which, has Ezrin produced anything lately?

Bob's official site is under construction (I believe), but this gives you an idea somewhat of what he's done recently...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ezrin

Feezle-Nuts · Post by **Feezle-Nuts** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:24 pm

hywel wrote:
Feezle-Nuts wrote:When you say you don't rate them, you mean these are the ones you don't like?
yes of course, they just dont do it for me. for instance i hate some folks, it is terrible just like im the coolest , you gotta dance, give the kid a break ahhhhhhhrgh it is so cheesy, and damned if you do sends shivers down my spine. sorry for ranting. kotsc and inwts are terrible in my opinion. guilty road rats and its hot tonight are just about bearable.

Fair enough. I do have to say that I absolutely love Some Folks. There is no rhyme nor reason, but I love it. I guess it is because it is so weird. I didn't really like it until I saw it on the WTMN dvd....that was messed up.

GailsFriend · Post by **GailsFriend** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:04 pm

Feezle-Nuts, I never thought I would say it...but, I agree with you. Some Folks is one of my all time favorite songs. It has a good balance between being funny and sick at the same time, while showing great musicality.

With ACAS, Alice is still in that "less is more" mentality he's been in since Eyes. Songs written quickly. Minimal arrangements. Not overly produced.
Most of the songs are Cooper, Hampton, Saber, and Singer performing. That's what I hear when I listen to ACAS with headphones.

With Bob Ezrin, we know the production and arrangement will be over the top, which means the studio time will be more.....more cost. Maybe it's better to put out a "cheap" album. So, the money saved can be put toward a better stage production.

RemarkablyInsincere · Post by **RemarkablyInsincere** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:20 pm

ACAS is far superior to DD.

RemarkablyInsincere · Post by **RemarkablyInsincere** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:21 pm

I too love "Some Folks".... and the live version kicks butt too!

WickedYoungMan · Post by **WickedYoungMan** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:04 pm

GailsFriend wrote:With Bob Ezrin, we know the production and arrangement will be over the top, which means the studio time will be more.....more cost. Maybe it's better to put out a "cheap" album.

With the advancements in technology and what not, recording time could be considerably less these days for all we know. Not using tape, etc.

So, the money saved can be put toward a better stage production.

Right, something people have been waiting on for 5 years.

Shoesalesman · Post by **Shoesalesman** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:25 pm

Now that I've listened to ACAS for a week, I'd have to say it's equal to Dirty Diamonds. That might change in a month, but for right now they share the same ranking.

Stuart · Post by **Stuart** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:30 pm

RemarkablyInsincere wrote:ACAS is far superior to DD.

With songs like Zombie Dance, DD, Woman of Mass Destruction, Sunset Babies, I wouldn't say it is 'far' superior.

I'd still have to say that DD is my fave of the two. A few years after getting it, I still put on DD. In a couple of years time I can't see myself listening to ACAS all too much. I do like the album, some of the songs are good: Wake the Dead, Killed by Love, but the lyrics and repitition just don't do it for me ;-(

RemarkablyInsincere · Post by **RemarkablyInsincere** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:03 pm

Stuart wrote:
RemarkablyInsincere wrote:ACAS is far superior to DD.
With songs like Zombie Dance, DD, Woman of Mass Destruction, Sunset Babies, I wouldn't say it is 'far' superior.

I'd still have to say that DD is my fave of the two. A few years after getting it, I still put on DD. In a couple of years time I can't see myself listening to ACAS all too much. I do like the album, some of the songs are good: Wake the Dead, Killed by Love, but the lyrics and repitition just don't do it for me ;-(

The plodding boredom of "Zombie Dance", "Six Hours", and "Run Down The Devil" don't do it for me.

DD has far too much filler and the production is poopoo.

ACAS by a landslide.

RemarkablyInsincere · Post by **RemarkablyInsincere** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:09 pm

For what it's worth... reviews of ACAS over at the Metal Sludge boards seem to be 3-1 positive to negative.

WickedYoungMan · Post by **WickedYoungMan** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:46 pm

RemarkablyInsincere wrote:For what it's worth... reviews of ACAS over at the Metal Sludge boards seem to be 3-1 positive to negative.

Just did a count from the ACAS review threads, it's basically split in half, with only a difference of one review giving the positive side an edge. Error of margin +/- 3 reviews.

WickedYoungMan · Post by **WickedYoungMan** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:48 pm

RemarkablyInsincere wrote:and the production is poopoo.

Hmmm, personally I'd rather take guitars over handclapping.. but okay.

steven · Post by **steven** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:42 pm

Must listen to the ACAS a bit more before I make up my mind.
Anyone else who like Jesse jane on DD.I think it is an awsome song.Should be played live.Every person I have played the song to has liked it.Awsome lyrics!

RemarkablyInsincere · Post by **RemarkablyInsincere** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:21 pm

WickedYoungMan wrote:Hmmm, personally I'd rather take guitars over handclapping.. but okay.

The hand clapping doesn't bother me... not sure what the hang up is. There's certainly a lot of guitar on ACAS.

Regardless, I was speaking more towards the 'production values'... DD just doesn't sound very good.

RemarkablyInsincere · Post by **RemarkablyInsincere** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:24 pm

WickedYoungMan wrote:
RemarkablyInsincere wrote:For what it's worth... reviews of ACAS over at the Metal Sludge boards seem to be 3-1 positive to negative.
Just did a count from the ACAS review threads, it's basically split in half, with only a difference of one review giving the positive side an edge. Error of margin +/- 3 reviews.

It certainly wasn't close to even last time I read 'em.

DD was maligned a lot more from what I remember... perhaps you can go count those reviews too.