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Astroturfing
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:32 pm
by Dannorama
First and foremost, AWESOME JOB on the Astroturf release. So very happy to have this. If only I was there! (Feels like I was, though.)
My first question is:
Who played rhythm guitar on “Caught In a Dream”?
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:37 am
by SickThings
Yes, I noticed that, too.
Added by Bob in post, I expect, though I don't know who played it.
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:22 pm
by Dreary
Michael added that later. I think you can compare the final audio to some of the early posts by people that attended the show.
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:18 pm
by jacknifejohnny
Absolutely brilliant , particularly loved “Caught In A Dream” and I think that was the best live “Elected” performance I’ve ever seen
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:14 pm
by Dreary
jacknifejohnny wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:18 pm
Absolutely brilliant , particularly loved “Caught In A Dream” and I think that was the best live “Elected” performance I’ve ever seen
Concerning "Elected"
After the encore was over, and we were in the back room, Neal said, we hit the first chord, and then I thought to myself, what the f*ck happens next? That was exactly what I was thinking in that same brief moment.
But as soon as Michael started playing the "Dolly Dagger" riff, it all fell into place.
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:19 am
by jacknifejohnny
Oops! I accidentally deleted your comment.
You noted the bass riff on "Social Debris" being the same as "Elected". And you said you'd like to see the original group do a tour of small theaters.
Yes, I thought opening "Social Debris" with the same bass riff as "Elected" would be a nice announcement that it was the original group.
As for touring again - I was forced out of my own band in '74, and ever since, hardly a day has gone by without people suggesting we get back together foe a tour or an album. I have always been crusading for that to happen. All it takes is an invitation and Neal, Michael, and I are ready and willing.
By the way, I would prefer theaters to big arenas (or White Castles).
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:44 am
by Dannorama
You kind of beat me to my next question, but I’ll ask it anyway. What kind of convincing did Ryan have to do backstage to get one more song out of you guys?
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:18 pm
by Dreary
Dannorama wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:44 am
You kind of beat me to my next question, but I’ll ask it anyway. What kind of convincing did Ryan have to do backstage to get one more song out of you guys?
That night, we were unrehearsed and flying by the seat of our pants. We hadn't thought about adding an encore song so we found ourselves backstage after the set choosing a song on-the-spot. "Billion Dollar Babies" was suggested because, at least, we had played that together in recent years. But Ryan was so enthusiastic about "Elected", and the crowd was getting louder calling for another song, so despite not having played "Elected" together since the 70's, we caved, did a rush review, and hurried out to the stage.
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:39 pm
by jacknifejohnny
jacknifejohnny wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:19 am
Oops! I accidentally deleted your comment.
You noted the bass riff on "Social Debris" being the same as "Elected". And you said you'd like to see the original group do a tour of small theaters.
Yes, I thought opening "Social Debris" with the same bass riff as "Elected" would be a nice announcement that it was the original group.
As for touring again - I was forced out of my own band in '74, and ever since, hardly a day has gone by without people suggesting we get back together for a tour or an album. I have always been crusading for that to happen. All it takes is an invitation and Neal, Michael, and I are ready and willing.
By the way, I would prefer theaters to big arenas (or White Castles).
I have everything crossed for a new album and theater tour of the originals +1.
I couldn’t think of a better thing for all us original fans from back in the heady 70’s….and lovely book ends to an amazing band of writers, musicians and performers.
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Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:49 am
by Saint&Sinner
Its a cool blu ray (shame we cant just watch the gig with out the documentary but a minor gripe)
Wasn't the UK London show filmed with the original band playing the mini set? any reason that hasn't been released? I seem to remember Michael being a little sloppy but nothing shocking so i doubt it is the quality of the audio. Other than that i remember it being a good performance. Any word on it coming out?
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Thanks for the comments. Once again, I'm incorrectly replying via the edit button rather than the quote button. - DD
The set alone wouldn't have been long enough to pitch as a release, which was the same reason for the additional footage in Good To See You Again. Personally, I like this film's documentary account way better that the schtick in GTSYA.
I don't know anything about the filming at Wembley. I do remember walking onto the stage and seeing lots of cameras. I also remember the stage center camera had been knocked down. Since that was Alice's main camera, perhaps that's why the footage hasn't been mentioned.
There were similar cameras on stage when the original group played the encore in Nashville. Not a peep about that either. The following night at the Music Biz Association event was also filmed. Some of the microphones didn't record that night.
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:49 pm
by Dannorama
I can’t get over how good this sounds. The mix is tremendous. To paraphrase, thank God for Chris Penn - and the Alice Cooper Group! I think of all the band reunions that I’ve witnessed. None of them compares to this. None. (Well, maybe Cream, but still.) Job severely well done! And it’s all because of you, Dennis. Thank you very, very, VERY much.
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:22 am
by Saint&Sinner
The set alone wouldn't have been long enough to pitch as a release, which was the same reason for the additional footage in Good To See You Again. Personally, I like this film's documentary account way better that the schtick in GTSYA.
I cannot stand the additional Skits in GTSYA , (is there any you like?) i like the Astroturf documentary for sure, its a great piece and i like how low-fi it is. Off the cuff and powered by good vibes.
I just enjoy seeing you guys on stage, its the sort of thing you can watch easily many many times, the documentary is only a handful of times i will watch it.
I love how you can see all of you click into place (it looks like the 30+ years didn't happen at that point when you all just fell in line with the song)
I dearly love Alice solo, but you could see a glint in his eye playing with you (and likewise for you guys) . it was energizing and exciting.
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:24 am
by Dannorama
This could be the band’s first Grammy. Wouldn’t that be incredible? Not sure if the album was submitted or not, but the video is superb.
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:43 am
by Dreary
Dannorama wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:24 am
This could be the band’s first Grammy. Wouldn’t that be incredible? Not sure if the album was submitted or not, but the video is superb.
"School's Out" is in the Grammy Hall of Fame.
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:38 am
by Dannorama
Dreary wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:43 am
Dannorama wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:24 am
This could be the band’s first Grammy. Wouldn’t that be incredible? Not sure if the album was submitted or not, but the video is superb.
"School's Out" is in the Grammy Hall of Fame.
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Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:55 pm
by Dreary
The song was inducted in 2015. As co-writers, each band member got an official certificate.
Check out the other songs and albums that were inducted that year.
2015 GRAMMY Hall Of Fame Inductees
(Songwriters of singles in parentheses)
AUTOBAHN
Kraftwerk
Vertigo (1974)
Album
“BIG GIRLS DON’T CRY”
The 4 Seasons
(Bob Crewe, Bob Gaudio)
Vee-Jay (1962)
Single
BLOOD ON THE TRACKS
Bob Dylan
Columbia (1975)
Album
THE BRIDGE
Sonny Rollins
RCA Victor (1962)
Album
CALYPSO
Harry Belafonte
RCA Victor (1956)
Album
“DANCING QUEEN”
ABBA
(Benny Anderson, Stig Anderson, Björn Ulvaeus)
Atlantic (1976)
Single
HARVEST
Neil Young
Reprise (1972)
Album
“HONKY TONKIN'”
Hank Williams And His Drifting Cowboys
(Hank Williams)
Sterling (1947)
Single
“I FOUGHT THE LAW”
Bobby Fuller Four
(Sonny Curtis)
Mustang (1965)
Single
“JITTERBUG WALTZ”
“Fats” Waller, His Rhythm And His Orchestra
(“Fats” Waller)
Bluebird/RCA (1942)
Single
JOHN PRINE
John Prine
Atlantic (1971)
Album
“LE FREAK”
Chic
(Nile Rodgers, Bernard Edwards)
Atlantic (1978)
Single
NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS, HERE’S THE SEX PISTOLS
Sex Pistols
Warner Bros. (1977)
Album
NICK OF TIME
Bonnie Raitt
Capitol (1989)
Album
“RESCUE ME”
Fontella Bass
(Raynard Miner, Carl Smith)
Checker (1965)
Single
“SAN ANTONIO ROSE”
Bob Wills And His Texas Playboys
(Bob Wills)
Vocalion (1939)
Single
“SCHOOL’S OUT”
Alice Cooper
(Alice Cooper, Michael Bruce, Glen Buxton, Dennis Dunaway, Neal Smith)
Warner Bros. (1972)
Single
THE SHAPE OFJAZZ TO COME
Ornette Coleman
Atlantic (1959)
Album
“SIXTY MINUTE MAN”
The Dominoes
(Billy Ward, Rose Marks)
Federal (1951)
Single
SONGS OF LEONARD COHEN
Leonard Cohen
Columbia (1967)
Album
STAND!
Sly And The Family Stone
Epic (1969)
Album
STARDUST
Willie Nelson
Columbia (1978)
Album
“SWING LOW, SWEET CHARIOT”
Fisk Jubilee Singers
(Wallis Willis)
Victor (1909)
Single
“SWING LOW, SWEET CHARIOT”
Paul Robeson
(Wallis Willis)
Victor (1926)
Single
“TELL IT LIKE IT IS”
Aaron Neville
(George Davis, Lee Diamond)
Par Lo (1966)
Single
“TRY A LITTLE TENDERNESS”
Otis Redding
(Jimmy Campbell, Reg Connelly, Harry M. Woods)
Volt (1966)
Single
“WALK ON THE WILD SIDE”
Lou Reed
(Lou Reed)
RCA Victor (1972)
Single
Re: Astroturfing
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:11 am
by Dannorama
Dreary wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:55 pm
The song was inducted in 2015. As co-writers, each band member got an official certificate.
Check out the other songs and albums that were inducted that year.
2015 GRAMMY Hall Of Fame Inductees
(Songwriters of singles in parentheses)
AUTOBAHN
Kraftwerk
Vertigo (1974)
Album
“BIG GIRLS DON’T CRY”
The 4 Seasons
(Bob Crewe, Bob Gaudio)
Vee-Jay (1962)
Single
BLOOD ON THE TRACKS
Bob Dylan
Columbia (1975)
Album
THE BRIDGE
Sonny Rollins
RCA Victor (1962)
Album
CALYPSO
Harry Belafonte
RCA Victor (1956)
Album
“DANCING QUEEN”
ABBA
(Benny Anderson, Stig Anderson, Björn Ulvaeus)
Atlantic (1976)
Single
HARVEST
Neil Young
Reprise (1972)
Album
“HONKY TONKIN'”
Hank Williams And His Drifting Cowboys
(Hank Williams)
Sterling (1947)
Single
“I FOUGHT THE LAW”
Bobby Fuller Four
(Sonny Curtis)
Mustang (1965)
Single
“JITTERBUG WALTZ”
“Fats” Waller, His Rhythm And His Orchestra
(“Fats” Waller)
Bluebird/RCA (1942)
Single
JOHN PRINE
John Prine
Atlantic (1971)
Album
“LE FREAK”
Chic
(Nile Rodgers, Bernard Edwards)
Atlantic (1978)
Single
NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS, HERE’S THE SEX PISTOLS
Sex Pistols
Warner Bros. (1977)
Album
NICK OF TIME
Bonnie Raitt
Capitol (1989)
Album
“RESCUE ME”
Fontella Bass
(Raynard Miner, Carl Smith)
Checker (1965)
Single
“SAN ANTONIO ROSE”
Bob Wills And His Texas Playboys
(Bob Wills)
Vocalion (1939)
Single
“SCHOOL’S OUT”
Alice Cooper
(Alice Cooper, Michael Bruce, Glen Buxton, Dennis Dunaway, Neal Smith)
Warner Bros. (1972)
Single
THE SHAPE OFJAZZ TO COME
Ornette Coleman
Atlantic (1959)
Album
“SIXTY MINUTE MAN”
The Dominoes
(Billy Ward, Rose Marks)
Federal (1951)
Single
SONGS OF LEONARD COHEN
Leonard Cohen
Columbia (1967)
Album
STAND!
Sly And The Family Stone
Epic (1969)
Album
STARDUST
Willie Nelson
Columbia (1978)
Album
“SWING LOW, SWEET CHARIOT”
Fisk Jubilee Singers
(Wallis Willis)
Victor (1909)
Single
“SWING LOW, SWEET CHARIOT”
Paul Robeson
(Wallis Willis)
Victor (1926)
Single
“TELL IT LIKE IT IS”
Aaron Neville
(George Davis, Lee Diamond)
Par Lo (1966)
Single
“TRY A LITTLE TENDERNESS”
Otis Redding
(Jimmy Campbell, Reg Connelly, Harry M. Woods)
Volt (1966)
Single
“WALK ON THE WILD SIDE”
Lou Reed
(Lou Reed)
RCA Victor (1972)
Single
I have a lot to explore. Credit: Dennis Dunaway. Thanks for the edumacation!! 
